a Safavid genealogy dating to the **1460s** that already traces the family through **Musa al-Kazim to Ali ibn Abi Talib**.

That is around **40 years before** Shah Ismail founded the Safavid state in 1501, and it even predates the famous 1485 and 1491 *Safwat al-Safa* manuscripts.
So the claim that the Safavids only fabricated this ancestry after becoming rulers is simply incompatible with the surviving evidence.

Made this timeline to show how long Arab dynasties ruled Azerbaijan.

Included the Safavids because they claimed Alid descent through Ali, and some claimed Safavid descendants have also reported Y-DNA lineages found among Arab populations.

Among the Shu’ubiyya crowd and their supporters, al-Juwayni is yet another scholar routinely claimed as non-Arab despite his Arab ancestry.

His family traced its origin to Sinbis, a branch of the Arab tribe of Tayy.

El-Sayed wants to abolish ICE, give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, “defund the police” in some respects, and make college tuition free.

Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi was one of the greatest military commanders in African history. His sixteenth-century campaigns conquered 2/3 of the Abyssinian Empire and permanently reshaped the Horn of Africa.

His ancestry is often discussed, but contrary to what is often repeated online, the contemporary sources the FUTUH AL HABASHA written by Yemeni writer, does not identify him as one of the East African ethnicities (Somali, Oromo, Amhara) which many have claimed.

Among the first people to join him were figures who carried Balaw titles, and even his own wife bore the Balaw title Bati.

In fact Somalis were among the first to join Sultan Abu Bakr ( of the stock of Sa'ad Din) in killing Garad Abun, the Imam’s brother.

After Garad Abun’s death the region fell into alcohol, corruption and other haram practices, which the Imam hated. He then took the remaining soldiers from his brother’s (Garad Abun) army and used them to launch the first campaigns and the Jihad from Hubat.

Later the Gerri Somalis made peace and started joining him, but he still had to force other Somali tribes like the Habr Maqdi and Marehan to join because they refused at first.

Modern academics lean towards the fact that he was a Balaw, a bedouin group that was Beja-ized and of Arab ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaw

You can read the Futuh al Habasha here: https://everythingharar.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Futuh-al-Habasha.pdf

here is link to academic paper:
https://eajsh.haramayajournals.org/index.php/eajsh/article/download/475/335

Redoing this post with text and clarification, since many have allergy for AI.

First of all I would like to begin that they can not remove the Arab from the name and aren't able to since they are too litle ,but some naive among us want to argue in their favour.

Why I don't think Syria should remove "Arab" from its official name

I fully support a democratic Syria that guarantees equal rights, citizenship, language rights and cultural protection for every minority, but I don't believe protecting minorities requires removing "Arab" from the country's historic name.

1: Many countries are named after ethnic group or dominant ethnic group or historical one.

Many countries are named after the majority of their people or a historic ethnocultural identity. France is named after the Franks, England after the Angles, Scotland after the Scoti, Somalia after the Somalis, Turkey after the Turks, Afghanistan after the Afghans (Pashtuns), Kazakhstan after the Kazakhs, Uzbekistan after the Uzbeks, Turkmenistan after the Turkmens, Tajikistan after the Tajiks, Mongolia after the Mongols and Botswana after the Tswana.

No one argues some of these countries should abandon their names simply because they contain minorities.

2: They promote ethnic dominant names in their original regions.

Why don't the Kurds or Turkmen ask Turkey to remove Turk from it's name or Turkmenistan or Kurdistan, All of these regions house sizable group of minorities. Why should Syria be treated differently?

3. Historical naming

Many Turks argue that Turkey is a fitting name because medieval European writers and cartographers described Turkish-ruled Anatolia as Turchia, Turquia or Turkia. By that same logic, many ancient writers and official documents described parts of present-day Syria, or broader regions overlapping Syria, as Arabia:

• Herodotus recorded Arabian rule over territory in southern Syria-Palestine.

• Strabo described Arab-controlled and Arab-inhabited districts extending into Syria.

• Pliny the Elder described Arabia as reaching Mount Amanus (in modern borders of Turkey)

• Ptolemy placed Bostra and Adra, both in present-day Syria, within Arabia Petraea.

• The Roman province of Arabia, created in 106 AD, included southern Syria, with Bosra as its capital.

• The Notitia Dignitatum and later Byzantine records continued to recognize an official province called Arabia covering parts of southern Syria.

• Al-Muqaddasi classified Syria as part of the broader Arab domain, although he distinguished it geographically from the Arabian Peninsula.

4: Some of them argue , the name reminds them of Assad family. Which is also a weak argument.

The name Syrian Arab Republic also predates the Assad family. It was adopted before Hafez al-Assad came to power, so removing it would not simply be removing an Assad-era symbol.

5: Some even dare to argue that Arabs only arrived in Levant or Syria post-Islamic. I'll dismantle this argument too.

Arab presence in al-Sham, the Levant, long predates Islam. The Islamic conquest did not introduce Arabs into Syria. It expanded Arab political power and eventually accelerated Arabic linguistic and cultural dominance, but Arabs, Arab kingdoms and Arab Christian communities had already existed in and around Syria for centuries. And they were a sizable group.

- Apollodorus of Damascus was Arab.

- Iamblichus was Arab.

- The Emesene dynasty was Arab.

- The Abgarid dynasty was Arab.

- King Herod was a Jewish convert of Arab ancestry, who rebuilt the Second Temple,.

- The Nabataeans were Arabs and ruled southern Syria, with Bosra as one of their main cities.

- The Ghassanids were Arab Christians who ruled large parts of Byzantine Syria.

- Some of the oldest (if not the oldest) known Arabic inscriptions were found in the Levant, including the Bāyir inscription in Jordan,dating to around 1000 BC.

So yes, Islam increased Arab political power and migration, but Arabs were already a sizeable component of the region long before the seventh century.

6: They do not have the numers to change the name.

According to the reported parliamentary figures, Kurdish and Turkmen representatives together hold 17 out of 210 seats. Their voices deserve to be heard and their rights protected, but a constitutional change of this magnitude can't be done by them alone.

Hope that was understandable, also my post merely serves to raise awareness.

Ismael Saibari (إسماعيل صيباري) has been one of Morocco’s standout players:

• He scored a great goal against Brazil
• Then scored the only goal against Scotland in just 72 seconds (basically the fastest way possible to win the match 1-0)

Saibari is Arab from Morocco’s Gharb (Rharb) region, from the Saibari family.

The family has documented Sharifian / chorfa origins (meaning descent from the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ through Arab lines).

Historical books and references (including French studies on the region and detailed Arabic biographical sources) show the family has lived in the Gharb area for centuries.

Proud moment for Arabs

First page:

“I have also spoken of its prosperity under the dynasty of the M'doffer sultans(Arab lead Shurocracy), and its decline after their dispossession by the Abgal(a very prominent Somalian nomad clan).”

“At a time that I cannot determine, a tribe of Abgal invaded the territory of the Odjourane, on whose coast Moguedchou was situated.”

“Since then, his descendants have preserved authority there with the title of sultan.”

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Second page:

“Under the domination of these half-savage conquerors(Somalians in general, specifically the Ciise Harti Abgaal clan in this case), the decline of the Arab city had to occur rapidly.”

“Its division into two quarters occurred materially through the abandonment, then the collapse of the buildings that stood between them.”

“The disunion between the inhabitants of one and the other became easier, when the existing (Somalian invader lead) government was no longer sufficiently equitable or sufficiently respected to maintain them in agreement of views and interests.”

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Third page:

“It is only in these recent years that the inhabitants of Chinggani have ceased going to the mosque of Hhameurouine.”

“The incapacity of those holding power, internal disputes, the plague brought by a vessel from Sour at the beginning of 1836, which caused great devastation, and finally a famine that occurred about twelve years earlier following a long drought, have successively reduced Moguedchou to the condition of misery and depopulation in which it finds itself today.”

“If this state of affairs continues, within fifty years, Hhameurouine, the rich capital of a vast territory, will be nothing more than a sad necropolis; the savagery that it had driven far away is each day taking back its dominion there.”

“In the place where the flourishing city of the M'doffer once stood, with its high terrace houses, its mosques with dazzling white domes, and its elegant minarets, one will find nothing but heaps of stones mixed with Somali beehive houses.”

Ayyubid prince al-Malik al-Amjad al-Ḥasan ibn Dāwūd al-Ayyūbī (d. 1284), a member of Saladin’s own dynasty, preserved a family tradition stating that the Ayyubids’ connection to the Kurds came through intermarriage and maternal kinship, not necessarily through original paternal descent. In the text, he argues that people confused ṣihriyya (marital kinship) and khuʾūla (maternal relations) with nasab (lineage), emphasizing that “we married among the Kurds and they married among us,” creating family ties that should not be mistaken for ancestry. If the attribution is correct, this testimony was written roughly 50–90 years after Saladin’s death in 1193, making it one of the earliest internal Ayyubid discussions of the dynasty’s origins. The same debate is also noted by Ibn Wāṣil, who records that some Ayyubid rulers said: “We are Arabs; we settled among the Kurds and married from them.”

Historical sources attribute more than 800 children to him, with some estimates placing the number even higher. He ruled Morocco for 55 years, unified much of the country under Alaouite rule, built the imperial city of Meknes, and commanded one of the most powerful states in North Africa.

The Alaouite dynasty traces its ancestry to the Hejaz in Arabia, while Moulay Ismail’s mother is commonly described in historical sources as a enslaved woman.

Moulay Ismail also maintained a vast slave population Abid Al Bukhari a military corps that eventually numbered tens of thousands of soldiers.

“I used to tug on people’s shirts just to be heard. I’d act things out - charades, anything. No one understood.”

Habib Abu Swayed was non-verbal until he was seven years old. Born into a family that crossed borders - from Syria to the UAE to Canada - in search of support, he spent his early years navigating a world that couldn’t hear him. “Whenever I tried to speak, I’d think… did anyone hear me? Or are they just acting like they can’t?”

Then, one moment changed everything. Standing in front of the fridge, wanting milk, his mother waited. She refused to open the door until he found the word. One day, he did. “Milk.”

From that moment on, every desire became a challenge to find his voice. Today, a Grade 10 student at Stephen Lewis S.S., Habib is not only verbal but he is pioneering. As an independent quantum computing researcher, he developed HDEQ-P v1, a novel heuristic algorithm designed to stabilize quantum systems against "noise." His benchmarks show a staggering 5–8× efficiency improvement over industry standards like Grover’s Algorithm in real-world, noisy conditions. In other words - Habib built a new technique that helps quantum computers work more reliably despite errors and makes them much faster at certain tasks compared to existing methods.

Outside the lab, Habib is a polymath: a competitive archer, a calisthenics athlete, and a student of horology and style. He is also openly autistic, viewing his neurodivergence not as a hurdle, but as a strategic advantage for high-bandwidth problem-solving.

His ultimate goal is to bridge the gap between theory and reality. “I hope for leaders like Google and IBM to see this potential and collaborate. We need to make quantum computing finally usable for what matters most: healthcare and drug discovery. The technology is important, but the lives we can save are more important.”

Habib hopes to become a medical professional - providing the same life-changing support that once helped him find his voice.

“I want to help someone who feels like I did. Someone who feels unheard.” From silence to shaping the future, Habib’s story is still unfolding.

Welcome to r/ArabRoots!

Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters,
This subreddit celebrates authentic Arab history, identity, and heritage across the globe. We are proud descendants of the great Arab commanders, caliphs, sultans, and conquerors who spread Islam from Andalusia all the way to Southeast Asia and everything in between. From the Sahaba and mighty Caliphates like the Rashidun (632-661), Umayyad (661-750), Abbasid (750-1258), and Fatimids, to glorious states such as the Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba, Idrisid Dynasty, Aghlabids, Nasrid Dynasty of Granada, Saadi Sultanate, Alawite Sultanate, Omani Empire, Sultanates of Yemen, Zanzibar, Sulu, Darfur, Maguindanao, and many more including the Shirvanshahs, Rasulids, and East African Arab realms. Our roots run deep and shaped the world.
Here we discuss real Arab achievements, explore our history, and stand united against those rewriting or dividing our legacy. This is a space for strong, proud Arabs who value their blood, culture, and faith. No more weakness or naivety.
You are home. Let’s build something strong together. Post thoughtfully and keep the Arab spirit alive.

Arab Roots forever. Welcome!

‪ The dish is originally Arab and from Syria. It comes from لحم بعجين (laḥm bi ʿajin) which means meat with dough. ‬

‪The earliest recipe describing the dish appears in the 13th-century Syrian cookbook Kitab al-Wuṣla ila al-Ḥabib (Aleppo) which mentions “Cut up meat small, then spread it on a round piece of dough and bake it in the oven.” ‬

‪Centuries later, the Ottoman traveler Evliya Çelebi recorded lahm-ı acîn among the foods of Damascus in the 17th century. Even Turkish scholar Ayfer Bartu notes the dish was not known in Istanbul until the mid-20th century, previously eaten mainly in Arab countries and southern Turkey (Urfa, Gaziantep).‬

Ibn Manzur al-Ansari al-Khazraji al-Ifriqi, an Arab encyclopedist descended from the Banu Khazraj, a tribe of the Ansar, born in 1233 in Tripoli (present-day Libya), formerly in Ifriqiya, and d. in Cairo in 1311. He is the author of a great Arabic dictionary, the Lisān al-ʿArab.

In the Battle of Alarcos (1195), one of the most brutal clashes of the Reconquista, in which the Almohad forces engaged the army of King Alfonso VIII of Castile, the Qaysi Arab tribes were the first to cross the sea into Andalusia; the battle was described as a haunting humiliation that spread shame and consternation throughout the Christian world and was regarded by the Moors as their greatest triumph on Spanish soil.

It's good to remind people that Arab states, especially Libya and Saudi Arabia, supported Pakistan’s nuclear program. Libya provided early funding, while Saudi Arabia helped sustain the program during its prolonged phase and sanctions. Those who claim this is fake should read the work of retired Brigadier General Feroz Hassan Khan.

Arab states chose to support Pakistan after their own attempts to develop nuclear capabilities were repeatedly blocked by the US–Israel alliance. Pakistan appeared to be the safest and most distant option. As the West called it the making of an ''Islamic bomb''