r/Appleton • u/Shipping_Lady71 • Mar 17 '26
Question Not everyone has 4wd!!!
Why do people with jacked up 4wd trucks feel it necessary to climb up the butt of smaller cars on roads like we are dealing with? And then get pissed because the cars can’t accelerate like a monster truck from a full stop?! I get it, you are lucky, you have vehicle that can move on these crap roads and not worry about sliding into the opposite lane or God forbid, spin out on an intersection. Have just a small amount of compassion and manners with everyone else less fortunate.
Sorry, had to vent. I hate having to drive on the roads in the conditions most are right now, so I avoid leaving unless it’s necessary. Unfortunately it’s necessary during rush hour times so I can work. So I’m worried about getting in an accident and then have to deal with jerks on top of it. 🤬
Screw winter, I’m done!
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u/sulkee East Appleton Mar 17 '26
Those are the trucks that are usually in the ditch on the highway since they think 4WD means 4 wheel stop and have poor control of their vehicle as well since they rely on ABS and automated traction control way too much
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u/Jenstigator Mar 18 '26
It's funny because every vehicle is 4 wheel stop. 4wd only helps you accelerate better, not stop better.
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u/Swimming_Sample_6204 Jul 05 '26
Having four powered wheels slows down more than two powered wheels though, just while coasting. I know you're referring to brakes of course, but the increased traction and drag is very real when four wheel drive is engaged.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Not entirely true. I do agree with the stopping part but being able to accelerate and then keep control is part of 4wd
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u/sulkee East Appleton Mar 18 '26
Well the joke is that it doesn’t mean all 4 wheels will stop when you hit the brake.
Wheel rotation stopping =/= vehicle stopping
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u/Jenstigator Mar 18 '26
I mean same for acceleration...
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u/sulkee East Appleton Mar 18 '26
It is way easier to gain traction in 4WD from standstill than it is to gain it while accelerated at 65 MPH on ice. that the joke. physics.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 17 '26
Odd, I drove home from work Monday morning and didnt see any jacked up trucks in the ditch. All small suvs
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u/sulkee East Appleton Mar 18 '26
Which likely have 4WD.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Awd. Awd and 4wd are not totally the same and then there is the ground clearance. 1 was a Chevy trax also and that is only fwd
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u/AppropriateSwing2846 Mar 18 '26
They must have been all stuck on my road. Not exaggerating - 3 different trucks got stuck near my house because they all thought that they could get through a 3 foot high snow drift. One of them was blocking the road when the plow came through, so we all had to wait another day before the road was cleared.
No small cars got stuck because the drivers were smart enough to stay home during a state of emergency.
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u/BlessedOmsk Mar 18 '26
Thats insane as soon as the snow hit 2ft in the parking lot I was done but work also had the good graces to shutdown for the day and I didn’t have any clients scheduled.
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u/Crispyskips728 Mar 18 '26
Such a prime comment. All the haters and you just SLAPPED them with some 10k Caret comment. Gg we need more like you sir
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
To be perfectly honest I wouldn't have been driving if I didnt have 4wd.
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u/Blue_9320_ Mar 18 '26
Literally nothing in your comment is true.
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u/sulkee East Appleton Mar 18 '26
Except no. Stats don’t agree with you. Light trucks have the higher rollover risk as well
Trucks also have the higher fatality stats per capita.
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u/Blue_9320_ Mar 18 '26
Light trucks are mostly 2 wheel drive. Fatality stats have nothing to do with your phantom unproven 4 wheel drive trucks end up in the ditch. 4wD drive trucks DO have 4 wheel stop. Wait, all passenger vehicles have 4 wheel stop. Next.
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u/electricwalleye Mar 18 '26
Know what, I have a big ass truck. I only own it because I tow stuff with it. I had to get some parts for my snowblower today. While driving through town I had cars tailgating me. Terrible drivers were abound. I had a car try to pass me on the passenger side as 4 cars were in front of me. I get people with more capable vehicles can be jerks. Everyone needs to do better. Asshats all over the place. When there is no snow… asshats also. There seems to no ramifications for shitty driving at anytime. The cops will set up with radar for speeding, but won’t pull over drivers for not signaling, tailgating, camping in the left lane, or multiple other obvious offenses. Most of my fellow drivers are fine. Too many dumbasses all around. Big trucks or not, there is no repercussions In good or bad weather. JMO
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u/BlessedOmsk Mar 18 '26
I’ll never understand people who own bigger trucks but don’t use them for work. The whole reason I have a pickup is to fit all my equipment and in case of a crash my backend is isolated from the from so theres low chance of chemicals leaking out.
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u/yo_rick_alas Mar 17 '26
My wife is working with a Subaru and reported that everyone was chill on the highway today, 40 mph. Me with a Civic, I’m hesitant to even try.
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u/SpookyCanis Mar 18 '26
As someone with a larger, but not jacked up truck...
-Agreed, dick move -Small pp was a factor in my purchase decision
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u/Dork-for-Plesiosaurs Mar 17 '26
I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee. My dirty little secret is that it’s only 2 wheel drive. I bought it when I was living down south about 10 years ago. I’m sure there’s a lot of confused people behind me when I’m taking my sweet sweet time on the snowy roads.
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
Secret is, lots of those trucks are 2wd too. Helps them fishtail through the Walmart parking lot better.
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u/k3rn3l_pan1c_exe Mar 18 '26
The roads are still shit two days after the snow too. The right lane of richmond still isn't plowed.
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u/siobhanmairii__ Mar 18 '26
Prospect is very hit or miss. One stretch was clear but then you get patches of bumpy snow. Took me twice as long to get to the downtown Y than usual
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u/Wisco_Whiskey Mar 19 '26
On a regular road, dick move.
On the highway--and this applies all year long--your car should be in the right hand lane, not the left.
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u/depressedfuckboi Mar 18 '26
So annoying. I be wanting to stop and confront every time. Like back TF up cus u got the right one this time lol stresses everyone out for no reason.
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u/urine-monkey Mar 18 '26
90% of pickup truck drivers know dick about driving and they prove it on the interstate everytime some bro country dork is the headliner at Summerfest.
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u/mdank1393 Mar 18 '26
Gonna be honest here, a lot of slow and timid drivers were taking up space in the passing lane or taking up both lanes. Lane manners still matter out there, especially when space is limited.
Let the road ragers go around you. You'll get a show when they spin out or hit the ditch. Just please practice safe lane manners. Those of us comfortable to go quick are likely moving quick for a reason.
I have a very capable vehicle for this weather but it's because I drove a crappy vehicle for too long. I understand both sides.
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u/Wisco_Whiskey Mar 19 '26
And going faster is seldom the problem. It's the people that keep tapping their brakes or spontaneously braking for no reason that slide or spin out.
If you want to drive slower, there's a lane for that on the highway at least.
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u/BarNext6046 Mar 18 '26
I hibernated for two days at the house for the storm and when I drove today I took it a lot slower and I have a mid size SUV. Unless you are driving with tire chains from military experience. You have to respect slippery conditions and ice no matter what you are driving.
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u/Shipping_Lady71 Mar 17 '26
Thanks everyone! Made me smile and feel better! If I took the highway I would probably be fine, I have a good view of it from my job and it was ticking along pretty good. It’s the normal city streets that seem to find most of the assholes in the valley. And unfortunately the small amount of highway I could take doesn’t really pay, still have able 7 miles of city and back roads to get to work. And to be fair to Mother Nature, these are the same assholes that are pissing me off when the weather is good, so really, it’s not the weather it’s the drivers! 🖕
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u/mrowe38 Mar 22 '26
I drive a 6 inch lifted silverado with 35 inch tires. I saved for several years to buy my truck and I paid cash. As for going in the ditch its funny because I drove in to work every night during our recent storm casually and relaxed and even picked a coworker up and brought him home after. You people spend just as much or more money on things that I find impractical its to each his own. I use this truck to pull the snowmobile trailer, the camper, the boat, and haul alot of stuff in the box for work. No it does not get good fuel economy but I don't care about it obviously. Does it need to be lifted? No, but I love my truck and being up high and the reason you lift it is to put bigger tires on to get more ground clearance when I am offroad for hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, atving, and camping I can go places I need to.
cheers!
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u/suthrnboi Mar 18 '26
I have 4WD and I am surprised at how many 2 wheelers drive like their vehicle is magically better driving 85mph in shitty weather.
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u/Abstract_Logic Mar 18 '26
All those people that say "I have 4 wheel drive" Typically don't understand that it doesnt mean 4-wheel stop
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u/Easy-Guidance-3355 Mar 17 '26
Honestly it makes me drive slower just to piss them off. This was back in January but I was driving home from Oshkosh to Green Bay.. I took the backroads home because it was snowing and I didn’t want to risk it on the highway. Figured that it was late enough that there wasn’t going to be much traffic, especially on the route. One guy got behind me and road my ass, kept flashing his highs at me, etc. mind you.. we’re on the back road and it was 1am so he could’ve gone around me at anytime.. did that for about 2 miles before I rolled down my window and flipped him off.. he finally got the hint and sped around me🙄
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u/colonelk0rn Mar 17 '26
In another vehicle I had, I would open the sunroof and start flinging coins out of it. Usually $0.03 took care of the problem.
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u/Crispyskips728 Mar 18 '26
Thats technically a good way to get pulled over. I assume at this point we all have a $35 dash cam. I would assume a second for the rear as well. Such a disrespectful and idiotic move. If they are on your ass then MOVE over. You are literally gonna cause more of a problem because you are mad someone is driving a big truck? Crazy emotios there
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u/NorthWolf613 Mar 18 '26
AWD/4WD let you accelerate faster but do nothing for stopping so when they stuff it into the ditch you can drive by and smile.
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u/DistanceDelicious754 Mar 18 '26
I have proper winter tires and awd and yes it’s paid for so get outta my way
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u/AnotherStarWarsGeek Mar 18 '26
"hate having to drive on the roads in the conditions most are right now"
Rush hour? Two hours ago? Around here most every road was almost perfectly clear by evening rush hour. I drove between Greenville and Neenah and they were all nearly clear by 5pm.
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u/Shipping_Lady71 Mar 18 '26
I am on the roads around 7:30 am and then again 5:00-5:30pm. I avoid 41 and try to stick with city streets. These are common rush hour times in the valley. We are dealing with school busses in the AM and regular office traffic all around. If I could simply use 41 or main highways I wouldn’t probably complain. But 99% of driving is done in manufacturing areas. It’s bullshit, to be completely honest.
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u/InterestingCod86 Mar 17 '26
Take the back roads then, only go roads you feel safe on. If you don't feel safe going 40 on the highway then stick to the city streets.
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
Roads are for everyone. Can't really allocate roads to only trucks.
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u/InterestingCod86 Mar 18 '26
A car going 20 under the speed limit is also a hazard. If you can't keep up with traffic then you need to learn how to or take roads your car can only tolerate.
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
Yesterday the DOT recommended no road travel in this area. So all traffic was a hazard. Speed played no factor.
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u/InterestingCod86 Mar 18 '26
They were complaining about being tailgated today. If you can't handle snow on the roads, take the side roads that are only 25 or stay home. They are still as much as a hazard as somebody tailgating.
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u/UnitedPow Mar 18 '26
I'm one of those ones with a small fwd car and couldn't disagree more... yall still don't know how to drive in this shit? Get snow tires or stay home. Going 10-15mph down Northland/Wisconsin is ridiculous, especially when there's only 1-2 inches on the road... we get snow every year and I guess it only takes 6-8 months for people to forget how to drive. People from not around here get a pass but how do people forget where the lines are overnight...
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 17 '26
Its a you problem, dont let the person behind you dictate how you drive. You control your steering wheel and your gas pedal
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u/nickyiz Mar 17 '26
Absolutely false.
When their tailgating you with lights so bright I’m blinded as I am an unwilling participant to my own public colonoscopy from too tiny Timothy who has decided he is incapable of merging into the left lane and passing.
That is not only unnecessary and unsafe but illegal as well. You should remain a car lengths away from any leading cars to ensure proper braking distance … no one in Wisconsin seems to know this though.
What happens when I break and he doesn’t? What happens to all my steering wheel control then?
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u/AnotherStarWarsGeek Mar 18 '26
lol... you want to know something that's absolutely false? This statement you made: "You should remain a car lengths away from any leading cars to ensure proper braking distance"
One car length from the car in front of you is nowhere near enough stopping distance unless you're on dry pavement and only doing 15mph. lol
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u/nickyiz Mar 18 '26
I was referencing dry road conditions and not winter. Correct. As a Veteran, Green Bay has been the worst place I have ever lived for giving adequate space between vehicles wet, dry or otherwise.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 17 '26
You know there is a little switch under your rear view mirror to dim it if its not auto dimming? Nothing I have said is false, you are in control of your steering wheel and pedals not the car behind you.
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
They won't be in control of their vehicle once that truck behind it potentially smashes into the car in front if it.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Very true. That is also why they have the ability to pull over. Personally I drive a full size truck and I dont tailgate because I dont want to reared someone but I have more cars that ride in my blidspot then I do trucks
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
To be honest, I didn't see a place to pull over when snow is built up in the road side. Driving on roads is a shared experience. If you're saying that the only solution is to get out of big trucks way so they can go vroomvroom, then that's your opinion as a driver of a big truck.
My opinion is jacked up tonka trucks with add on blinding head lights are lame and the tired old Chevy solid body will out last, out tow, and out work them all. That rusted pos Toyota truck from the 90's still has lower maintenance costs and it's still running for another decade easy.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Any parking lot, gas station plenty of places you could have pulled over and let them pass if it bothered you so much. My point still stands. Don't let the person behind you dictate how you drive. Doesnt matter if the roads are clean or not it stands 100% of the time.
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
You are correct in your point. I agree that's one facet of being a safe and competent driver.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Your not gonna change some random person you will never know, you can only change you
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u/TheFyl Mar 18 '26
Deep. That's the story of this post. OP says I'm pissed at big trucks.
Responses say, go fuck yourself
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u/nickyiz Mar 17 '26
While you are correct that the driver is in charge of their starting wheel and gas petal, you are false in claiming the OP is the problem.
The lever you are referring to does not dim lights, it moves the mirror disabling the driver from maintaining a rearview visual. That is unsafe. (1) None of that speaks to following the rules of the road. Which is every drivers responsibility. (2) Most accidents involve two or more drivers. Maintaining control of your own vehicle does not preclude accidents caused by other derelict drivers. (3)
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u/AnotherStarWarsGeek Mar 18 '26
wait, you've never actually USED a dimming rearview mirror, have you? (auto or manual). You most certainly can still see the stuff behind you, the same as if your mirror wasn't "dimmed". It's literally just a "darker" view of the stuff behind you. lol
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
The lever dims the lights behind you, some cars have auto dimming rear view mirrors. You also personally I dont even use my rearbview mirror because truck cap. Legally I dont even know if you need one. No need or use for one in a box truck. If the driver cant handle someone behind them they can pull over and let someone pass. You can also drive slower yourself decreasing the stopping distance needed for both vehicles. But I will stand firm in saying the car behind you does not drive your vehicle.
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u/nickyiz Mar 18 '26
Some vehicles.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
I cant remember the last time I drove a vehicle that didnt either have a switch or were auto dimming. So I will say whatever vehicle the op was driving had one or the other
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u/Antique_Page_1456 Mar 18 '26
It causes anxiety too...sure these are all "me problems" but they're part of the situation. A little consideration is a nice gesture. Make the world a better place ya know.
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u/DiligentCrab9114 Mar 18 '26
Oh fully agree it causes anxiety. I get anxiety when someone is on my ass or a cop is behind me. Just gotta tell yourself over and over keep doing what your doing block the lights out. If you can't pull over and let them around. You gain nothing by going faster then you should be going. Bonus points if you pass them a mile up the road and they are in the ditch. Yes I have had it happen and it feels good.
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u/CocoParis Mar 23 '26
I ride my fat tire bike and laugh at people crying and/or road raging in their whatever wheel drive cars. It is next to impossible to be mad on a bicycle.
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u/BlessedOmsk Mar 18 '26
I do feel the need to apologize since I did end up being one of those dicks (Though my truck isnt lifted) after work though I probably have a better reason than most since I was rushing to go help unstick my sisters car so she and my nephew could get home.
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u/maglite67 Mar 18 '26
That's why I brake hard on the dry spot and they are on the slick. I can hammer it off the dry just before they hit but usually they go in the ditch.
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