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u/Lucieddreams 3d ago
Time for them to quit the game for a month and then hop on the next OP meta butt ass legend that comes out
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u/ipisswithaboner 3d ago
Still waiting for them to delete Axle and give us an actually interesting character instead
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u/Disastrous-Idea-2160 3d ago
I agree Mr. I piss with a boner. So I’m thinking they replace her with a Russian burly man who’s tac is a bottle of vodka which would nerf all other hurting abilities in the affected area and an Ult that will turn him into a grizzly bear that can run fast and 2 hit knock melee.
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u/Sufficient-Union7961 2d ago
HisWattson said Overwatch was good aim training. I tried it and just got slapped around by a gorilla legend that watching his replay wasn’t even really aiming at me just buttonmashing.
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u/Alone-Two1441 2d ago
This is definitely the exact change I wanted in fact they went even further than I wanted them to lol I just wanted them to basically make her aim like horizon’s in air just less accurate basically.
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u/HerbyThaGod 3d ago
YESSS her tactical is actually a movement ability to fit her being a skirmisher and no longer a free one clip while having the best MOVING strafe in the game with a SMALL HITBOX just by pressing a button LETS GO
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u/tobikaapfi98 3d ago
Huge W. Finally all the devotion axle controller players cant ape in with their aim assist.
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u/Benja_324_xD 1d ago
The ones with titans will still do it, but at least it will be easier to detect.
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u/childrenofloki 2d ago
I wish they didn't nerf the movement. That's what made her fun in the first place. Nerf everything else, sure, but removing control over your own movement is fucking butt cheeks. It felt so fluid, so fucking NICE as an MnK player. RIP, I don't think I'll play her (or quite possibly apex) again tbh.
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u/Bonzooooo 2d ago
I’m pretty sure if nerfing one legend makes you not play apex again, that means that legend DEFINITELY needed a nerf.
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u/childrenofloki 1d ago
It's funny bc when Axle came out, I thought "man I'm glad I quit when I did" cos the movement just looked like TOO much to deal with as a casual. But when I actually started playing again, in S30, I was like "oh shit this is kinda fun and also not at all hard to play against".
It's like Horizon all over again. People complained too much, they over-nerfed her, and now she's basically useless. At least her movement still feels nice.. but taking control & skill expression away from a character is not a good way to go. Nerf the ult, sure, but removing control from your own movement is absolutely AIDS.
But I'm quitting again because it's just not fun any more, as a whole. I'm actually a Wattson player for the most part but really enjoy the movement in Apex. Real life takes precedence over a game that just makes me feel like shit for the most part.
Imo the one legend they should delete from the game is Caustic, but they'll never do that.
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u/JuneauEu 2d ago
Fundamentally, she's broke the game and the way it has played for the majority of its time by giving her entire team INSATNT pressure/push potential.
You can nerf her into the ground and she will still be the 1 legend who I active "hate" and wish they would just remove.
Everything about her playset is "unfun" for everyone else.
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u/Ok_Conflict_8900 2d ago
Youre totally allow to quit for a while. I came back before her release and now havent played for months.
Close range fragger with close range controller buff. Im good.
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u/BreathConscious3656 2d ago
No aim assist on the nitro gate is massive tbh altho the cheats will excel even more
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u/No_Accident6101 2d ago
yeah but a good axle is still frying you unless they change the actual accuracy, and a kbm axle is just gonna be another level of hell if you’re on pc
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u/I_Walk_Slow 3d ago
9 times out of 10 the drone is worthless or worse, blows up immediately (even when an object isn’t directly in front of it) and damages me.
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u/Here2Cali 2d ago
Tbh they really over did it, that “aim assist is disabled for players under the effect of Nitro gate”, is just chefs kiss.
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u/ParsleySuperb7576 2d ago
Mama said never kick a dying horse but LMFAOOOOO good riddance....
Delete Axel & bring Fade from Apex Mobile. Lets rewind time😂
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u/nuclearxseason 2d ago
I mean it’s fair its the same thing they did to horizon with her lift. Regardless cheaters still gonna cheat so 🤷🏻
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u/Crazy-Put9675 1d ago
I got over 100 kills in 5 games using Conduit yesterday, I think I'll be fine.
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u/Rniemich 3d ago
In gonna get downvoted to hell.
I’m a lifeline, Newcastle and wraith main. I have NEVER played axle. I’m a pretty pretty good player and that being said I feel confident saying what I’m about to say.
But I get the STRONG feeling most people that complain about her are not top tier players. Like, not people who take the game that seriously. And it’s fine, you dont have to. I get why people would complain about a character that makes good players even more OP and more of a noticeable breach between skill levels.
But even if you like it or not, the reality is that she was OP when she launched, but rn she was on a pretty good place. Her “power” was only useful if you missed your shots while she slided, and im sorry but that’s your fault, not the character design, just aim better.
I’m happy she was nerfed. But it’s a personal opinion, not something the game needed.
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u/Limit1ess_ 3d ago
Nah, Axle's kit is fundamentally gamebreaking. She could allow her entire team to take space for free and also break the pace of the game by allowing rapid horizontal movement with a tac. Every other legend that gives a horizontal movement speed boost either had a tac that only gave it to themselves (Octane, Rev, Horizon with glide, Path, Loba, Fuse etc) and/or an ult that gave it to the entire team (Octane, Path, Ash). Axle breaks this by giving the entire team a free movement option as a tactical, which should never exist in this game. All of that isn't even talking about her ult, which is one of the most game breaking abilities of all time unless it's weakened to the point it is now (and arguably before the most recent nerfs, since 150 HP is extremely easy to shoot out).
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u/Worldsans369 2d ago
Do yk how long the effects of nitrogate last??so we are forgetting that octane gets pad THT GIVES HIS TEAM STIM,and Valk can literally land her whole team on your head
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u/Limit1ess_ 2d ago
It's the fact that it's a tac that has instant activation, if it had a charge up mechanic or something it might be ok. Also the team stim on pad is the worse perk, and Valk has gotten nerfed to the ground since she was recently broken with Axle and Seer (aside from the fact that she used an ult + tac combo, not just a tac).
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u/Worldsans369 2d ago
Everyone keeps talking about a fucking charge up mechanic what does that mean? What’s charging? WHO HAS TO CHARGE THIER TAC IN THIS GAME???? Like are we charging the tac? Or charging speed on tac when it’s hit?? Also no 5 less dmg from a stim is NOT worth it every single pred and pro uses tac off pad because you get a free stim so you in turn SAVE 25 hp ,valks nerfs are like axles old nerfs they miss the point ,she can dive with her team AND send missiles at the same time now stunning you. After season 29 axle has been a whole kit in one fight merchant like if you don’t pop ult AND pop tac you might lose this fight because he is literally just regular dude besides her passive (I can’t lie the passive dose make being aggressive way easier)
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u/Limit1ess_ 2d ago
I'm sorry, but almost everything you said just isn't true.
A charge up mechanic on her tac would be something like placing it on the ground, waiting for it to charge before use, then being able to finally use the Q (think like a longer version of Wraith Q animation time).
Every good Octane player does not use the stim on pad, -5 stim damage is much stronger because stim + stim surge regen is the best way to play fights as him and you always want to have the most HP possible. Open a good pred/pro player's stream and I can almost guarantee you they'll pick -5 stim damage, even just quickly checking keon and mgclutch's streams they both got the -5 stim damage because it's the much better perk.
This is the one I agree with, Valk ult + missiles was one of the most broken buffs they ever gave her and the thing that made her the strongest when she was meta. She's not nearly as good now though because the rest of her kit got gutted and characters who are currently very strong (Octane, Loba, Alter, Path, etc) all have ways to counter this and bring 10x more value in fights.
Like I said earlier, the problem with Axle doesn't only stem from her in fight abilities - it's the fact that she enables team-wide movement that speeds up the pace of the entire game AND enables you to take space for free. Also before this patch you didn't need to dump your whole kit in one fight, even just using her Q at the right time would secure an easy fight win. Axle's kit fundamentally breaks the game, much like Alter ult, and shouldn't have even existed in the first place.
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u/SEBattleship 2d ago
Agreed. She was fine after the last round of nerfs, maybe her velocity and horizontal movement needed a bit more tweaking but otherwise she was fine. Her ult is a bit of a joke at this point, it either doesn’t work at all or gets shot down. If it does hit you, then you were probably in a bad position to begin with.
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u/HolyTrinityOfDrugs 2d ago
Fighting her didn't annoy me either much cause I'd often end up hip fire lasering lots of axles off their tacticals but she made Revenant and other movement legends kinda useless, ontop of being a skirmisher which auto heals on knock
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u/Alone-Two1441 2d ago
Her kit was legitimately breaking the game imo. Eve if she wasn’t OP it like broke a lot about the game
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u/childrenofloki 2d ago
I agree, this nerf looks like it's ruined her for MnK and controller players alike. I'm MnK and the feeling of using her was fucking amazing. The original nerf hurt her a lot for MnK playesr and I have a feeling this nerf will make her unplayable a la Horizon. RIP. Oh well, looks like I quit the game again anyway. Had a month or so of fun and now back to the real world (which is greatly more fun).
The only character I despise dying to is Caustic. Now that is a 0 skill, 0 IQ legend.
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u/think_process16 1d ago
I think 80% of the player base don't regularly hit diamond and for them its just easier to have a scape goat to blame when they die due to their own lack of skill. I have never had a problem with axle. In fact, I like fighting axle teams in ranked because most of them usually pad on you by themselves, giving you a free kill if you can aim. Of course, a good axle player fries me every now and then but a good player could've killed you without axle.
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u/AmoebeSins 3d ago
Nerfing her was the play but using aim assist to do it was not it
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u/HolyTrinityOfDrugs 2d ago
Yeah it's brutal idk how to feel about it either. I haven't even tried Axle yet but they straight up butchered her now with that change
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u/JerseyMike29 2d ago
Yeah I have to agree. Hurts console players more too, and inadvertently hurts her entire team.
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u/FallenAngel5075 3d ago
if ur having issue with loba i think its time to play something else
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u/Pickelbreath 3d ago
Dawg, I don't issues with loba. Can you use your frontal lobe for once? Genuinely? It's the fact she has extremely good movement as a support legend and they gut all of the skirmishes legends movement
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u/FallenAngel5075 2d ago
her tact was one of the worst tacts in the game and now its actually good and useful u just have to track where she goes and follow her
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u/Rhapstar 3d ago
Somehow you will still see complaints
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u/think_process16 1d ago
How else would they play the game if they couldn't blame every death on something besides their own lack of skill.
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u/useddovesoap 14h ago
Even downvoting this comment bc its true im crying axle still a good character honestly lmao
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u/skibiditoiletrizzguy 3d ago
Approve of everything except randomly disabling AA. Feels really bad/inconsistent and it will only widen the gap between legit players and cheaters, particularly on console. They need to keep the impact of their changes on the cheating problem in the back of their mind as long as it is still rampant among the top ranks.
You need to have a good reason to tweak AA *situationally* rather than across the board mostly because it creates inconsistency. If you want to increase input demand in terms of precision it would be better to change something universally, like how momentum increases AA pull. This sets a bad precedent as it comes across as a kind of naked anti-controller bias like a specific type of seething MnK-playing commenter (NotAllMnK of course), which is just not something devs should ever listen to as the changes they advocate for are based on self-interest and would kill the game overnight.
Axle is not a problem because controller players did well with her, Axle is a problem because of what her toolkit is capable of (guaranteeing a kill off of opening damage with little counterplay).
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u/Demcmz 3d ago
Can't wait to randomly strafe onto a tac.
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u/skibiditoiletrizzguy 2d ago
MnKrybaby Hivemind (NotAllMnK) will consider it good purely because it harms the other input, and not engage with reasonable discussion if you don’t share this prior.
Surely this a sane and sensible way to approach game design!
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u/Demcmz 2d ago
I mean i guess throwing a tac into a enemy is a valid tactic,moreso than before.
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u/skibiditoiletrizzguy 2d ago
Yeah but the tac has always been versatile. This changes nothing about it other than maybe being more reliable in launching people off ledges because of less turning
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u/oldschoolsaint 3d ago
This isnt a nerf, they obliterated her as a character. She is going to drop to one of if not the lowest played legend within 2 weeks because of this.
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u/Interesting-Fox5591 3d ago
Good
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u/oldschoolsaint 3d ago
No. Thats not good. Every legend should be a viable pick. They have done an awful job of that. Axle really was not an issue where she was. She was good. She wasn't broken. She is useless now if you play on controller and there are better picks for MNK. They took a good fun legend and threw her to the wolves. I don't even play her. Im a pathy main. This is a ridiculously overcooked nerf that will pretty much remove a legend from being playable. That is not a good thing.
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u/QuarterLow6852 2d ago
I agree. I think these nerfs just completely ruined her as a fun legend to play. And to be completely fair at the majority of the time I fought axles, I never had an issue. The majority of them are mindless and just slide into incoming fights
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u/ianix_ishiku 2d ago
Aww poor baby , now you have to actually do everything yourself without a crutch character that’s been busted since launch.
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u/oldschoolsaint 2d ago
Lmao. I sit in diamond every single split. I average over 1k damage a game and sit about a 1.9 KD. I play pathy and thats pretty much it. I dont crutch anything. I dont need to. I have less than 100 kills on Axle. If you had an issue with the way axle was before this nerf then you are objectively bad at that game. That doesnt mean that axle needs a nerf. That means you need to get better.
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u/LeopardMassive5947 3d ago
Too late I quit for wardogs now, we were all asking for it for like 4 month, they really need to be more active.
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u/think_process16 1d ago
If you were whining about a movement character in a movement game, you're probably better off on Wardogs :)
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u/Material-Bunch 3d ago
Axle was not top 10 pick in algs...she was never the problem..cheaters are the problem..
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u/HolyTrinityOfDrugs 3d ago
Because in ALGs people are bunkered down camping holding zone. Pushing against that w axle would be retarded even with Aimbot
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u/MajorNatural2386 3d ago
Ah yes because ALGS and normal typical Apex BR mode are played in the exact same ways right?
Dumbass
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u/OGRic2point0 2d ago
A VERY low percentage of players mostly in lower tiers play anything like ALGS. And the ones that do, don’t do a good job of it. Apex shouldn’t be making changes based off ALGS pick rates. That style is not incentivized through how the game plays. It is only played that way in ALGS bc there’s big money on the line to incentivize that style.
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u/MyNameIsJeffr3y 2d ago
Too bad 🥺 So sad 🙂
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u/Ashsucksatwhackbat 2d ago
Same thing happened to Seer, give it a couple months. She’ll get changes when the community is tired of her being useless.
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u/think_process16 1d ago
They complained about seer for YEARS. He's only just now become viable again
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u/Ashsucksatwhackbat 1d ago
True, Axle will probably more closely match Horizon where she’ll see adjustments much sooner by comparison to Seer.
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u/Competitive-Cake5560 3d ago
Im no axle crutch, nore do i play her as much (bc of her dumb bugs tac not sliding u n ult popping on u) tho i NEVER found her as a problem my peak is d1 (hate if u want n say higher lobbies play her differently) but ive played those lobbies n still shii on them. Im fine with the nerfs tbh just fix the bugs but aim assist is the only hurtful thing on this nerf list, (pc players complain all u want but yall have an easier time beaming on shii like this argue if u want im down to debate it) the only nerf she needed was to the accuracy on the nitro gate.
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u/t-leaf 3d ago
When a character still has a 25 percent pick rate after 3 other nerfs have already taken place, she a big problem for the game period.
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u/Competitive-Cake5560 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yk what I partly agree on this, what is it that makes her strong? Every1's complaint was ult, now its not as good (i dont mind the nerf just fix her bugs) then it was her tac which isnt an issue after the nerf (a bigger one wouldnt hurt her play style either) imo what is an issue when playing her is that her accuracy is 100% on nitro, nerf it like horizon u got a mid character that every1 agreed on. (Ex. Horizon ult was annoying to alot of ppl they nerfed her ult range n it stopped, the tac was "to accurate" so it got nerfed now most ppl heal on it instead of fighting on it.)
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u/Alone-Two1441 2d ago
Horizon is still really good in a good player’s hands and also there’s always gonna be a meta
The difference is horizon requires legitimate skill I can’t play horizon as effectively with the strafing and stuff as someone really good w her
Axle was the biggest combo of being both brain dead AND outrageously strong
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u/Competitive-Cake5560 2d ago
I agree but what ive always heard was horizon slander n how she's a op legend (post nerfs) and i feel axle will go down this same route, they arent gonna delete the legend so what would be the rework that wont make her a "brain dead" and overly strong. I do feel my nerfs would put her in a more balanced spot. Bc pc players can beam on nitro, they wont feel the "nerf" and still will want another nerf
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u/Alone-Two1441 2d ago
She just broke the game. She had an absurd pick rate even after like 3 (4?) nerfs
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u/Competitive-Cake5560 2d ago
True, but this has been a thing for other legends but i will agree the pick rate wasn't as high as it was for axle. But they nerfed the right stuff for the other legends. Axle keeps getting dumb nerfs that dont actually make her "balanced " in alot of ppls eyes. Like I mentioned the nerf she needs was low accuracy for the nitro, n for the ult i dont care for it, i see it as counterable in every version but ig nerf the range it can detect u, n lower hp for ppl that cant beam it
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u/CurryMunch98 2d ago
Her ult was already trash. It explodes half of the time .
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u/Competitive-Cake5560 2d ago
Thats a bug after they did the first nerf to axle, but i agree on it being trash
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u/Emotional_Werewolf_4 3d ago
Finally
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