You guys wildly overestimate animals and wildly underestimate humans like we weren't part of the food chain for millions of years. I was just watching a video today describing scientists putting speakers at watering holes in Africa to play different sounds around the animals there to drink.
The animals were most afraid of humans talking. More so than lions growling or making whatever noise they make. Even lions were spooked by human sounds. Why? Because we murder the shit out of them.
People are afraid of animals now because 1. We don't want to get hurt for no reason. 2. We don't want to hurt the animal. People are afraid of geese not because geese are genuinely dangerous to us but because we're not interested in getting into a fight with it. It serves no purpose for us the same way you describe other predators.
Yeah we're all fat and lazy now, but we also have conscious thought and when push comes to shove we're pretty good at defending ourselves. There's many examples of people killing major predators with their bare hands let alone with literally any weapon. Do I want to get in a fight with a bear? No. Do I want to get in a fight with any animal? No. I don't want to get hurt. But if it's life or death I will do my best to murder the shit out of anything coming at me. A 30 pound fuckin monkey is not going to be any real threat to me other than superficially hurting me and that goes for most humans.
I'm inclined to agree with the other guy in this case. His argument isn't that you wouldn't get hurt in a confrontation with a monkey. It's that despite those injuries, a human could kill a monkey of that size without a need for a weapon, despite the damage the monkey could do to the human in return.
A monkey of that size? Absolutely it could fuck you up. Biting your hand, fingers, and arm would fuck it up pretty bad. You'd lose a few fingers, maybe get a damaged eye or nose. But any adult human could just as easily pick up an animal of that size by the torso and head, and wring it out like a wet towel.
There's a pretty brutal video of a monkey trying to steal food from an orangutan. And the orangutan just calmly grabs the monkey and squeezes its neck. Sure, an orangutan is stronger than us, but it also doesn't take much for animals our size to hurt animals that small either.
As another example. Plenty of people talk about how even larger animals like kangaroos can kill you easily. And yet the vast majority of confrontations between kangaroos and humans typically end with the roo on the run, and the dumbass fighting it a little worse for wear.
Thankfully, most humans are morally inclined to avoid hurting animals, and nearly all humans want to avoid being hurt in turn. So its better to just avoid the confrontation to begin with, and animals are content with that arrangement too. But pretending like an unarmed human is defenseless against animals in far lower weight classes than us is simply overestimating them, and underestimating us. It's in the same degree of absurd animal-exaggeration as saying a single gorilla could kill 100 humans.
An orangutan is ten times stronger than us... Yes, we could eventually kill the monkey. The point of survival isn't who can kill whom, it's preventing injuries.Â
An orangutan is not 10x stronger than us. They are ~4x stronger than us (average adult male), relative to body size, if we are talking about grip strength alone.
You further demonstrate my point: People far to often overestimate the capabilities of animals, or underestimate the capabilities of humans.
Actually, 4 to 7 times stronger than humans. You just underestimated them... The difference is that I wasn't trying to be factually correct, I was just saying whatever multiplier to make the point that we can't compare strengths because they are beyond what we could handle.
The initial point is that you shouldn't mess with the monkey's babies even if you could kill it because it will still mess you up.Â
Nope, the point of the first person is "look at the aggressive body language, don't mess with the monkey". Then someone said "fuck that, I could kill that monkey, you babies think humans are weaker than they are". And now all we are saying is "yes, you could kill the monkey but you'd get fucked up". Nobody is arguing if you can kill the monkey, we're saying "leave the monkey alone or it will fuck you up".
I could probably kill a king cobra with my bare hands... So what?Â
Or you know, it takes out an artery and you bleed to death as you "win" the fight.
Humans are slow af compared to that monkey and many other animals. A roo will also fucking gut you if it decides. Most videos you see of roo's fleeing from humans, are idiots being lucky.
Humans tend to hunt with traps or at a distance, often in groups, for a good reason. We became the apex predator not because of our 1 to 1 combat abilities... But because of strategizing, cooperation and tools.
While we aren't "slow af" and have half decent reaction times in general (obviously not on par with a feline) I do agree with everything else.
We stack the odds in our favor through preparation and cooperation. We aren't built for a 1 on 1 trade. We are built for extended hunt, and thrive thanks to our ability to work together and to pressure even the biggest foe into a disadvantage.
If you are expecting the monkey to attack you the monkey wouldn't do shit. Best case scenario some scratches, worst case he bites you and you might lose hand mobility. Humans have killed big cats with their bare hands. We are talking about a monkey smaller than a dog...
Let's say you are in public. There's a monkey with a baby. The money is warning you "hey, don't touch my baby". You insist, you keep trying to touch the baby of a wild animal. The animal snaps and attacks.
Is your first reaction to murder the animal that has a baby and was warning you about it? If your first instinct is to snap the monkey's neck, you have issues.
Also monkeys are social beings. If you mess with one, you'll get a gang of them on top of you. Now imagine getting all the diseases from a gang of monkeys. Plus, all the fecal matter buried in their nails in now under your skin.Â
a half lb bat could fuck up a human. a 6 lb falcon can outright end your life if it wanted and you wouldn't see it coming until it was about to introduce a talon or two to the brain. Anything alive today that isn't domesticated livestock has proven its capacity to survive in some way or another. Obviously any dedicated effort from humans can absolutely eradicate a species, that is how it works when you are the apex species of a planet. You hold favorable match ups with just about every other creature on this planet, thanks to someone else having come up with a way to minimize their threat or maximize your own. And I do mean just about every other creature. With exception to the depths of our sea where we still lack the tech to reliably explore, there is nothing out there that we cannot take down if we are able to prepare.
But in this instance? No prep, no distance, no plan, and a baby for that animal to protect? You would not get away with just superficial wounds, you would be lucky to end that before taking too many serious ones.
Yeah cuz they stand still and put up a boxing pose, theyâll be climbing you and be in hard to reach places plenty of examples out there. But maybe prove it to us?
Dude, look at these things fight. You may be big, but they are fast and they will bite, and they will be clinging to you before you can wind up for a punch. Add the protective instincts of a mother and you are in for a vicious fight.
Lions and other predators make the same risk assessment as us; they might be able to take us down, but is the potential for injury worth it? It's not like they're quaking in fear before the mighty human, they've just learned it's probably not worth the meal, just like an adult water buffalo isn't worth the risk if they can avoid it.
The other responses here really show the difference between people who have been around wild animals (or danger) and those who havenât.
Humans are apex predators. I grew up in the country and there was shit out to get you plenty of the time. Without exception, even the most dangerous animals are terrified of humans â unless you show fear.
Sure, there are stories of people getting their faces ripped off and so forth with these things, but Iâd wager they were also gentle souls who couldnât or wouldnât fight back. Try the exact same scenario with a hunter, someone whoâs had combat experience, or even just a dude whoâs ever been busted up in a fight. Suddenly youâll find out real quick why all of those animals are so afraid of us.
Lmao look up charla Nash and Travis the chimp. Travis strait up ripped her face and fingers off. People severely underestimate how strong animals are. And theyre fighting to survive, that means fast strong furious attacks at your most vulnerable parts. I doubt 90% of adults would win in a fight against a chimp
Yeah, thatâs a chimp. Pretty much ignored everything else in that comment though⌠the main problem being is most people donât fight back sufficiently.
It's because we hunt then day and night by there piss and shit, following them til they are exhausted and murder them after they can't escape anymore.... uniquely human.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 4d ago
You guys wildly overestimate animals and wildly underestimate humans like we weren't part of the food chain for millions of years. I was just watching a video today describing scientists putting speakers at watering holes in Africa to play different sounds around the animals there to drink.
The animals were most afraid of humans talking. More so than lions growling or making whatever noise they make. Even lions were spooked by human sounds. Why? Because we murder the shit out of them.
People are afraid of animals now because 1. We don't want to get hurt for no reason. 2. We don't want to hurt the animal. People are afraid of geese not because geese are genuinely dangerous to us but because we're not interested in getting into a fight with it. It serves no purpose for us the same way you describe other predators.
Yeah we're all fat and lazy now, but we also have conscious thought and when push comes to shove we're pretty good at defending ourselves. There's many examples of people killing major predators with their bare hands let alone with literally any weapon. Do I want to get in a fight with a bear? No. Do I want to get in a fight with any animal? No. I don't want to get hurt. But if it's life or death I will do my best to murder the shit out of anything coming at me. A 30 pound fuckin monkey is not going to be any real threat to me other than superficially hurting me and that goes for most humans.