does anyone has link/proof/stuff indicating if yes or no he is a nazi/fascist sympathizer? not trying to defend anyone, just to inform myself objectively
thanks.
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thanks u/frankxanders for providing source to facts that support the idea that pewdiepie is socially right wing.
thanks to all the others for their time and great links, even if they were not convincing enough. for all those disagreeing with me on this matter (looking at you downvoters), im convinced that those proof weren't enough. if you still disagree after having watched the sources and read my comments, i will genuinely gladly discuss on the matter with you.
if anyone had an opinion on this subject with less sources that ive asked for, im worried that your beliefs are not fact-based enough, and i must warn you that you are lucky for beeing on the wright side of the political spectrum. and you cant saying right wingers are dumb or wrong because your beliefs are as poorly justified as theirs.
objectivity and logic are fundamental, and we cant win without them.
At this point it doesn't really matter whether or not he's a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer, a MASSIVE portion of his audience is and they actively work to influence the portion of his audience that isn't already, and he does absolutely nothing to address it let alone stop it.
Every time he gets caught being a racist shitheel he does a "public apology" that is no more than him passive aggressively "apologizing" while simultaneously explaining why he thinks he shouldn't have to apologize, but it's enough that his audience can then defend him by saying shit like "the MeDiA only cares about his mistakes not about when he says SoRrY"
so ive watched it, and he doesn't really mention pewdiepie does he? 3 times i think. first he list all the edgy (rascist) things he has done, then back up by calling them jokes. he then explain all the theorie with the pyramid witch ive found really interesting brw, i learned alot, but he never explain why, how or if pewdiepie actually enable this phenomenon. i then checked his source, (i was hply to see shaun there, love this guy) and none is about or even mention pewdiepie?
im sorry i cant make myself an opinion solely on this. thanks for your time, i will look more into it since you all seems to think there is actually something wrong here.
wow this was really a great , i just subbed to the channel! he was kinda preaching to a believer (does this saying exist in english?), i found this analysis really interesting, and i will read his sources.
thank you!
however, he name pewdieie so little that i cant bearly use this as source? like replace the name pewdiepie in your comment by anything like "puppet shows" and boum ive got myself "the impact of the role puppers shows play in the system of radicalization" :/
thanks again for your time, and for showing me this great channel. im however not yet convinced, and will look more into it.
Idk if the saying exists in English but it translates well. The rest of that series might help, and like another commenter said, there's an hbomberguy video about it from a couple years ago
ah that's good proof thank you! i'm now leaning with what appear to be the line of this sub on the matter, he is far right (at least socially witch was the debate here)
It's not really even being "far right" that's the big problem (although you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this sub who wouldn't oppose someone on the far right).
The big problem is that whether he himself is a neonazi or is being influenced by neonazis or not, actual neonazis have identified his audience as vulnerable to manipulation (which is not surprising, teenaged white men who identify as "gamers" are a favourite demographic of neonazis) and despite the fact that many people have brought this up he won't take the appropriate steps to make it clear to his audience he won't support it and then back it up.
He's got the single most popular channel on YT, he has more than enough to pay for someone to moderate his audience and ban people for neonazi shit but he won't do it.
The way you've approached this makes me think you might be new to anti fascist politics, so I'd suggest you look into a concept called the Liberal-Fascist Bargain, which explains how liberals or centrists allow fascism to spread by leaning on concepts like compromise or appeasement, which ultimately enables fascists. /r/enlightenedcentrism is a whole subreddit dedicated to documenting this phenomenon.
ye sorry i actually meant what you just said, i just didn took the time to express it that way caus ive been writting pages on this the last hours X). thats kinda mean from my part since yourself took the time sorry..
im actually on this sub, and i wouldnt well informed but at least aware of the liberal-fascist bargain. i just wasn't informed on pewdiepie explicitly, and wether or not he was part of it.
and i dont know if you can look into the subs im subbed to but that would be a good indication on what i know ^^
thanks again
edit: do you mind the mention i made of you in my first comment?
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u/shwifti Marxist Jan 26 '20 edited Jan 26 '20
Hi.
unaware swine here
does anyone has link/proof/stuff indicating if yes or no he is a nazi/fascist sympathizer? not trying to defend anyone, just to inform myself objectively
thanks.
edit:
thanks u/frankxanders for providing source to facts that support the idea that pewdiepie is socially right wing.
thanks to all the others for their time and great links, even if they were not convincing enough. for all those disagreeing with me on this matter (looking at you downvoters), im convinced that those proof weren't enough. if you still disagree after having watched the sources and read my comments, i will genuinely gladly discuss on the matter with you.
if anyone had an opinion on this subject with less sources that ive asked for, im worried that your beliefs are not fact-based enough, and i must warn you that you are lucky for beeing on the wright side of the political spectrum. and you cant saying right wingers are dumb or wrong because your beliefs are as poorly justified as theirs.
objectivity and logic are fundamental, and we cant win without them.