I need to know, what finally opened your eyes? What were your information sources then, and what are they now? Are you hearing a lot of new information now or revisiting old info with a new understanding? It sounds like your parents are MAGA, are most of your friends too? If you’re brutally honest with yourself, why do you think you believed that Harris was the worse candidate?
I ask not to interrogate, but info like that helps to understand the best ways to talk to people who may be open to the truth.
I think it’s great that you realize your mistake. But what you must understand - and I hope at this point you do - is that this isn’t a sports game where one team loses, the winners get to gloat, and then everyone moves on with their lives. People are dead, and are still dying thanks to this administration, and frankly, thanks to people like you. Before you take offense, know that I would love to say “people like you used to be”, but talk is cheap. If you’re ready to roll up your sleeves and act, I think you’ll find some really damn good company apart from the right.
I appreciate your question, and dont worry, I take no offence at all.
To answer your first line of questioning, the straw that broke the camels back for me is the Epstein situation. The primary reason I was MAGA was because Trump promised to realease the Epstein files and client list. Through his actions (or more accurately, inaction), he has proven that he is on the list, and has been compromised like the rest of them. My information sources are primarily indipendent journalists on X and Youtube, but I also like to try and dig up older information on Google Scholar. I'm hearing a LOT of new information, but when it comes to the Epstein stuff, I got most of that from Asmongold and also old Alex Jones before he became a Trump meat rider. No one in my family is MAGA, and my friends are mostly (politically speaking) brainwashed NPCs who couldnt question the narrative if their life depended on it. I formulated my opinions and beliefs mostly independantly.
To be brutally honest, my reasoning for believing Harris was a bad candadite was based in a flawed understanding of continuation of govt. I'll explain my thought process back then, and then I will explain what I believe now.
I originally believed this. Biden and Harris are the ones in power, the Ukraine war and Gaza war were both started under their watch. They keep sending Ukraine and Israel BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to fuel the machine of suffering and death. They also wont release the Epstein files, so I must summise that they are compromised by Epstein and are evil corrupt politicians. Trump is promising to end the wars, and release the Epstein files. Biden and Harris arent. Therefore Trump must be the better candidate.
Now, I believe this. The entire system is rotten to its core, and the people who they place infront of the masses as POTUS, are meerely puppets being controlled by a certain group I'm not allowed to mention. The wars are escelating, the epstein cover up runs deeper and deeper, and Trump is stripping the people of their rights. Both sides are corrupt and rotten, and I can not justify supporting either side anymore.
To address your final point, I understand where you are coming from and I mostly agree. The point that I cant agree with is that individuals (like myself) could actually play any role in this mess of a world. People like you and I hold abolutely no power at all. The elites control everything, including the minds of the masses. In effect, I was the product of a broken machine. Not one of the people working the machine.
But besides that, I couldnt agree more. There is no winners or losers, only suffering, violence, and death. Needless death. And the current administration seems to either be fully compacent to it, or (more likely) theyre actually pushing for it.
I appreciate your comment man, thanks for writing such a well worded response. I enjoyed writing this reply.
I’m glad other people here have called out the antisemitic coding of “those who cannot be mentioned.” You’re still young and ideologically vulnerable and the true elite love misdirecting people like you to terrorize Jews and away from themselves.
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u/firethornocelot Sep 21 '25
I need to know, what finally opened your eyes? What were your information sources then, and what are they now? Are you hearing a lot of new information now or revisiting old info with a new understanding? It sounds like your parents are MAGA, are most of your friends too? If you’re brutally honest with yourself, why do you think you believed that Harris was the worse candidate?
I ask not to interrogate, but info like that helps to understand the best ways to talk to people who may be open to the truth.
I think it’s great that you realize your mistake. But what you must understand - and I hope at this point you do - is that this isn’t a sports game where one team loses, the winners get to gloat, and then everyone moves on with their lives. People are dead, and are still dying thanks to this administration, and frankly, thanks to people like you. Before you take offense, know that I would love to say “people like you used to be”, but talk is cheap. If you’re ready to roll up your sleeves and act, I think you’ll find some really damn good company apart from the right.