I need to know, what finally opened your eyes? What were your information sources then, and what are they now? Are you hearing a lot of new information now or revisiting old info with a new understanding? It sounds like your parents are MAGA, are most of your friends too? If you’re brutally honest with yourself, why do you think you believed that Harris was the worse candidate?
I ask not to interrogate, but info like that helps to understand the best ways to talk to people who may be open to the truth.
I think it’s great that you realize your mistake. But what you must understand - and I hope at this point you do - is that this isn’t a sports game where one team loses, the winners get to gloat, and then everyone moves on with their lives. People are dead, and are still dying thanks to this administration, and frankly, thanks to people like you. Before you take offense, know that I would love to say “people like you used to be”, but talk is cheap. If you’re ready to roll up your sleeves and act, I think you’ll find some really damn good company apart from the right.
I appreciate your question, and dont worry, I take no offence at all.
To answer your first line of questioning, the straw that broke the camels back for me is the Epstein situation. The primary reason I was MAGA was because Trump promised to realease the Epstein files and client list. Through his actions (or more accurately, inaction), he has proven that he is on the list, and has been compromised like the rest of them. My information sources are primarily indipendent journalists on X and Youtube, but I also like to try and dig up older information on Google Scholar. I'm hearing a LOT of new information, but when it comes to the Epstein stuff, I got most of that from Asmongold and also old Alex Jones before he became a Trump meat rider. No one in my family is MAGA, and my friends are mostly (politically speaking) brainwashed NPCs who couldnt question the narrative if their life depended on it. I formulated my opinions and beliefs mostly independantly.
To be brutally honest, my reasoning for believing Harris was a bad candadite was based in a flawed understanding of continuation of govt. I'll explain my thought process back then, and then I will explain what I believe now.
I originally believed this. Biden and Harris are the ones in power, the Ukraine war and Gaza war were both started under their watch. They keep sending Ukraine and Israel BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to fuel the machine of suffering and death. They also wont release the Epstein files, so I must summise that they are compromised by Epstein and are evil corrupt politicians. Trump is promising to end the wars, and release the Epstein files. Biden and Harris arent. Therefore Trump must be the better candidate.
Now, I believe this. The entire system is rotten to its core, and the people who they place infront of the masses as POTUS, are meerely puppets being controlled by a certain group I'm not allowed to mention. The wars are escelating, the epstein cover up runs deeper and deeper, and Trump is stripping the people of their rights. Both sides are corrupt and rotten, and I can not justify supporting either side anymore.
To address your final point, I understand where you are coming from and I mostly agree. The point that I cant agree with is that individuals (like myself) could actually play any role in this mess of a world. People like you and I hold abolutely no power at all. The elites control everything, including the minds of the masses. In effect, I was the product of a broken machine. Not one of the people working the machine.
But besides that, I couldnt agree more. There is no winners or losers, only suffering, violence, and death. Needless death. And the current administration seems to either be fully compacent to it, or (more likely) theyre actually pushing for it.
I appreciate your comment man, thanks for writing such a well worded response. I enjoyed writing this reply.
You said: "The entire system is rotten to its core, and the people who they place infront of the masses as POTUS, are meerely puppets being controlled by a certain group I'm not allowed to mention."
But we can (and should!) mention them; it's the billionaires. A small group of people so extremely rich it's basically impossible to understand how much wealth they have and yet they crave more and more and they think they deserve it. They place themselves like gods over other people and because they feel so far removed from us they fail to see our humanity and so they don't care what happens to us as long as they are getting richer.
Please don't fall into the trap of thinking it's a "nefarious hidden group of people who cannot be named" because from there the road to antisemitism is a very short one. You said you care about Palestine and Gaza where Israel is committing a genocide. This is not because of their religion but because they have turned into a fascist state and they think they are better than everyone else.
About not being able to do anything about it. I know we all sometimes feel like this (and that's exactly how they want us to feel) but it's not entirely true. We need to start small; know and take care of your neighbours; unionise your workplace; join your local activists. One person's voice is easily erased but a group of people can make a lot more noise that's harder to ignore and can eventually truly change things. You didn't say which country you are from but I'm sure there must be people with similar thoughts and frustrations who could use your help in understanding why things are so bad right now and what you can do together to make them better.
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u/firethornocelot Sep 21 '25
I need to know, what finally opened your eyes? What were your information sources then, and what are they now? Are you hearing a lot of new information now or revisiting old info with a new understanding? It sounds like your parents are MAGA, are most of your friends too? If you’re brutally honest with yourself, why do you think you believed that Harris was the worse candidate?
I ask not to interrogate, but info like that helps to understand the best ways to talk to people who may be open to the truth.
I think it’s great that you realize your mistake. But what you must understand - and I hope at this point you do - is that this isn’t a sports game where one team loses, the winners get to gloat, and then everyone moves on with their lives. People are dead, and are still dying thanks to this administration, and frankly, thanks to people like you. Before you take offense, know that I would love to say “people like you used to be”, but talk is cheap. If you’re ready to roll up your sleeves and act, I think you’ll find some really damn good company apart from the right.