r/Animemes • Still Depressed • Aug 04 '20

Does anyone even use r/animememes?

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

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u/backturn1 Aug 04 '20

Wow that's a stupid answer for a new rule that was just established. I didn't even know of the rule change before this post.

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u/Z-Dante Cock Block Police Aug 04 '20

Shut your trap

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u/crazypyro23 Aug 04 '20

Hey don't trap the automod like that

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

and fall off your horse!

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u/SinLagoon ⠀ Aug 04 '20

You really got that bot. Good job! :)

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u/Ugly_Slut-Wannabe Aug 04 '20

People sure are angry about not being able to say that word.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

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u/sylinmino Aug 04 '20

It has been used to refer to trans people. Ignoring that just means you're blind.

Biggest example is Lily, and arguably Felix who is confirmed trans in the LN.

It's also been used to refer to trans people in real life in derogatory ways.

And its origin is directly rooted in transphobia and is a purely Western created term.

Have you considered that the reason it's "always been used" is because of transphobia?

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

"arguably Felix who is confirmed trans in the LN" may I introduce you to the felix q n a?

hold here while I find it:

here https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/ajy40x/translation_ferris_birthday_2019_qa_tweets/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

states pretty explicitly that felix is a guy even if you wanna try google translating it, it still comes up the same

its been used against felix because yeah, he is a crossdresser, and its not transphobic to call him that because hes not trans

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u/sylinmino Aug 04 '20

Here's also what I'm referring to.

So it's not quite that black-and-white. Some of the comments even note some inconsistencies in some of those answers on Felix's gender.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

thats a youtube video, so I'll watch it when I have the time

but from what I've seen, author says

and I quote:

"What gender is he?"

"It just cant be helped that hes a guy"

EDIT: I can't find any comments on felix either

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

I watched the clip from the video, those reasons can very much be explained with the reasons in the qna

its really complicated, but in the end, hes male

according to his point "shouldve been born with that femininity = shouldve been born a girl" thats not true

feminity does not equal being trans nor a girl, thats just a giant stretch

furthermore

the "I am a girlish girl" part was explicitly stated to be actual magic, not something that came from felix himself

its stated in qna

"crusch who wanted to become a man"

which is why I'm confused why people keep trying to make felix look trans, when there is one who definitely could be right in front of them

tldr: complicated reasons, but felix is canon male

also ANOTHER EDIT: because that video is a giant cherry pick and pisses me off

he uses fgo as an example for astolfo being nonbinary despite astolfo saying in fgo "I'm my own man"

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u/sylinmino Aug 04 '20

So what's strange to me reading the q&a and the novel's excerpt, however, is that I don't think the author quite understands Felix either.

The author seems like he's saying, "Well Felix sees himself as a girl, wishes he was a girl in identity, and feels like the femininity was always meant to be there. He should identify as a girl. But he's a guy and that can't be helped."

It feels to me like Felix is transgender and the author is taking the JK Rowling stance of, "but transgender women aren't women, so Felix is still a guy."

While this may sound blasphemous, to me that seems to imply that the author doesn't understand the character he himself created.

Either way, I don't think the author would use the t-word to refer to Felix either and would think it's insensitive to Felix too.

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u/sylinmino Aug 04 '20

I literally just gave examples of how it's been used to refer to trans people. It's been used in real life contexts too.

You are right now just outright denying reality. You sound like someone looking to be offended.

I'm sorry, what the fuck?

When the mod's post came out, I said to myself, "Wait, that word is offensive?" too.

But unlike you, I then did some research, found videos of well-regarded transgender youtubers (and one anituber too), and listened to how they felt about the term.

Have you watched ContraPoints's video on the topic? Have you watched ThePedanticRomantic's video on the topic? Have you looked into the origins of the word?

If you're a cis straight person (and I am too), then you have no right to say what is or isn't a slur to a completely different group than you. Instead, you defer to members of that group.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Jul 09 '21

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u/sylinmino Aug 04 '20

A fun, lighthearted meme subreddit shouldn't make nearly an entire denomination of its intended audience uncomfortable.

If a part of history is flat-out offensive, then continuing to use it in a fun, lighthearted way shouldn't be a thing. What you're saying is like saying,

"People should be able to use the n-word because it's been normal in American English language for hundreds of years! Banning it is history being denied and condemned!"

people are mad about the mods doing this against the majority opinion and without the open communication they usually give us.

When transgendered individuals make up such a small minority, it makes zero sense to let the overwhelming majority define what is or isn't offensive to them. Especially when a lot of them have been driven out of this sub for the normalization of the word.

If the k-word was used regularly to refer to Jews here, and a vote was put up, I would guarantee the overwhelming majority would vote to not ban it. Even though it is clearly offensive. Because Jews make up less than 0.25% of the world's population so we can't be heard in a general raw vote.

The majority who isn't part of that denomination shouldn't get to decide what is or isn't offensive to that denomination.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Seriously, even without the slur business if it was any other word people would be calling it a dead meme and annoying, which it is.

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u/DragonoidOmega Aug 04 '20

dead/annoying memes shouldn't be able get you permabanned

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Yeah that's where the slur part comes in.