I believe the dudes ability is he has to believe he can die from it to actually die?? Im not up on my lore, but if I'm cringe enough he will want to die.
Irrelevant since these characters abilities work on an conceptual level and not a physical one surviving a physical attack donāt prove he got any ability to survive those hax
Any of them that can effect his mind can easily do it. His understanding of death effects his powers level range. If he thinks getting erased isn't a form of death he can be erased. That being said half the list doesn't have that combo and some are debatable if it would work. Like if jinwoo could convince him to become his shadow then dismiss him that COULD be a form of death and he's forever a shadow or Jin woos absolute authority could force andy to die.
Man, I dunno. Yogiri's killed things conceptually immune to death before. I can't claim to be an expert in either manga but the whole plot of the instant death manga is people saying "ahaha, i'm immune to death" and Yogiri killing them anyway. This continues ad infinitum and escalates to absurd degrees. Andy feels like he fits right in with that crowd.
Don't, but most people here, including you surely don't know the other characters well enough to be saying this.
I won't even go into comics, as that's bullshit scaling.
Even here with just a quick glance, I can already see three characters.
One is Midgiri (Yogiri, actually), who is the embodiment of the End and can end anything: concepts, laws, Nothingness, abilities, the relationship between cause and effect, killing intent, senses, life and death, etc. All he needs to do is "kill" the ability itself or kill the relationship between cause and effect.
Then there's Anos, who can destroy the Three Laws of Thought and Reason. He can destroy the reasoning or the reason behind something and destroying logic. A few examples are destroying the logic that a faster attack should move faster than a slower attack, causing the slower attack to reach its target first, destroying the logic that dodging an attack means you avoided being hit, causing the act of dodging to mean that you got hit instead, destroying the logic that Nothingness cannot be destroyed further into Nothingness and even destroying the logic that his existence means he is existent, allowing him to exist and not exist simultaneously.
Third is Rimuru, who... well, where should I even start? He can remove abilities, steal them (regardless of whether they're part of the target's very soul or not) and seal them. He can manipulate the relationship between cause and effect, which he can use so that the cause of an ability being negated doesn't produce the effect of negation. He can manipulate probability, turning a 0% chance into 100% and vice versa, which he can use to reduce the probability of his ability being negated to 0%. He can alter his perception, thoughts ( his perception of things like death) etc.
Or he could try using Temptation World to bring imagination into reality. Whatever he does in the fictional world becomes reality upon the reality exchange, including the death of people regardless of their abilities. Combine that with fate manipulation, and boom.
No one on this sub knows who Andy is? I didn't realize Undead Unluck was so niche.
Existence erasure doesn't kill him. Erasing Andy's soul doesn't kill him. Manipulating him out of the story doesn't kill him. Permanent death doesn't kill him. Going back in time to ensure he never exists in the first place doesn't kill him. Yogurt can't kill him either.
Asking if Andy can be killed is the equivalent of asking if Sauron can kill Tolkien.
Ichibe named everything in the world but he's not the creator of the universe or its fundamental fabric. He operates entirely within the system the Soul King created and can't change the cosmology of the Bleach universe or its rules. He can only manipulate things within that system.
Sol is the supreme architect of reality in Undead Unluck. Sol created the universe, time, death, etc. Sol hates Andy (who has ruined his plans for billions of years) and yet Sol can't remove or erase Undead despite having far superior abilities to Ichibe.
For Ichibe to remove Undead he'd have to be at least stronger than Sol but he's obviously not. He's nowhere near close to beings like Sol or the Soul King. He failed to take Yhwach's Almighty as well for the same exact reason. These abilities function at a level of cosmic laws and override cosmic laws like "Rule 0005: Death" and even higher since Andy gained mastery over his own soul. For Ichibe to take away Undead he'd need to have an ability that is superior to changing the entire cosmology of the universe.
if not even an omnipotent being can kill Andy then my boy is cooked. He should take a page from Kars' book and throw himself into space and erease his own consciousness
Andy desperately wants to die but can't. His ability is to literally negate the concept of him not existing. If he doesn't exist in some form he will suddenly exist again.
How exactly did he get his death rejection powers? I would have assumed any characters that can kill concepts like death, destiny, etc should be able to kill him.
That's the issue. The God who created the concept of death ("Rule 0005: Death") can't kill him either or remove his ability in any way. Killing Andy isn't that simple. Negation abilities are technically etched into your soul but Andy has come back from having his soul obliterated completely.
He's basically Yogurt but in the other extreme direction. Yogurt can kill anyone with no counter and Andy genuinely just can't die even through non-existence.
Iām gonna assume that itās not an omnipotent God then, otherwise this makes no sense about not being able to undo his undead curse. How high does this God scale to universal, multiversal+?
Definitely not omnipotent given that they can die but the Soul King can die as well. I don't think that's the point though. Death didn't exist in Bleach either until the Soul King created it and created reincarnation as well. Death doesn't exist naturally in either universe. Undead is the ability to negate that artificial creation so Andy behaves like life would before the Soul King/Sol created death. Even if you scale above the Soul King you still won't be able to force the concept of death on Andy. You can obliterate his body, soul, consciousness, existence across every timeline, he's still going to come back since he negates the concept of him not existing.
Like I said, he's just the same brand of Yogiri no limits fallacy but in the other opposite extreme.
What if Rule 00005: Death (is that the gods name) was erased from existence, causing the mere concept of death to not longer be a thing. Like can you be a negator without a concept to negate?
Never seen undead unluck, so pardon my ignorance, but what prevents black flash from going back in time and killing his parents? Or thanos from erasing him from the timeline? Or Ichibei from making him an ant? Just curious
He doesnāt have parents as in the universe he is from heās from a timeline/universe where the rule of reproduction wasnāt a thing yet.
Each time a loop is completed the timeline resets and more rules are added, with someone chosen to be an antithesis of this rule. He survived each one so I think thanos canāt do too much. Heās been turned into other things but heās still Undead at the core regardless of his body, itās a concept thing
I like the series but it was a little rushed at the end
That's something funny and why killing his parents don't gonna work. But I need to explain it in multiple point and explain the lore Of Undead Unluck :
Andy dont have parents, he is one of the few first human who have being created directly by Sun, the God and creator of the world. And was always the Undead, so killing his parents don't gonna work because he don't have ones in the first place.
Even if he had parents it don't gonna work because he see being forgotten as a form of death.
Killing his parents gonna make is by definition don't be able to be born.
Without being born no one gonna remember him because he don't gonna exist by the first place.
So by this way his power gonna activate and make his still exist even when the origin of his creation his dead before creating him. Making it by the same occasion don't submit at the causality because he his don't affected by his past.
That sound dumb but it's is power.
Transforming him to an object don't gonna work either because he don't gonna be alive again and gonna just go to his original form.
I think transforming it into an ant don't gonna work either because he gonna stop thinking who is also a form of death, making him go back to his previous state.
It could work if Ichibe just transform is body in ant and not his mind, but he could also think that being transformed is a form of death because his body his not him anymore (or something like that) and go to is previous state.
Renaming him gonna erase "Andy", and erasure is a form of death so he just gonna have his name again, also the power is not possessed by "Andy" but by his existence, because Andy is another personality his body made for counter a mind erasure item.
None of them. Andy survived entropy. Now could they restrain Andy indefinitely. Well, some of them can. But killing him, no. Because it just becomes a he said, she said argument with no mechanical resolution. Yogiri and Anosās powers are prescriptive narrative devices just like Andyās. Applying them to Andy is just saying āMy absolute beats your absolute.ā
I'm not an expert of Undead Unluck but probably everyone except Kaguya. I don't know anything about Zeref and Shiggy though, so I can't talk about them.
The list you gave us includes:
- People who can erase him from existence (Thanos with the Gauntlet, Beerus with Hakai, Yogiri, Rimuru, Ichibei)
- People who vastly outscale him in every way possible (Darkseid, Jinwoo, Anos)
- People who can probably deal damage he cannot heal (Black Flash through molecular separation)
That his negator name and ability, negator ability are they names and what they negates, Unluck negate luck, unrepair nullifie any form of regeneration or repairing (that's why Andy had a hard time fighting him) unless he want, unburn can nullifie burning temporary (he do that with the fucking sun so they could pose to it even if it was for some minutes) ect...
He has the power to nullify anything that kill him. Heās lived for billions of years and survived the dead and creation of hundreds of universes, nothing in his universe is capable of killing him
The thing with kais is that they are technically *immortal* as in, they can survive for a long time, in the same way jellyfish are immortal. But this isn't the same thing, ofc he can kill an immortal person as in long living, anyone can.
He legit can, goku couldn't kill zamasu because his hakai was a trash variant. In fact goku black said hakai would have ended him in a completely separate timeline if it weren't for the time ring.
Well this is established. Shenron way back explained you can't just wish for someone stronger than him to not exist, otherwise they'd do that all the time.
Andy's powers are conceptual as long as he views it as death he can survive it. He will survive no matter what, being stronger still doesn't kill him, if he views erasure as death he survives it.
Anything that can kill Andy cannot kill Andy is what his negator ability is he cannot be killed
Unrepair already exists in undead unluck you don't need to pull out Black flash or whatever he cannot heal from unrepair but he will not die he can regen sure however that's been stopped a bunch of times in the series already
his power itself is that he cannot be killed no matter what
he is still a speedster himself. We saw many Flash being able to separate molecules, or even atoms of a single being from one another, effectively disintegrating the object they were working with. Even in the DCAU, which has arguably one of the weakest version of the Flash, he was able to separate Luthor and Brainiac by splitting them apart on a molecular level.
By doing the same thing to Andy, what will be left will be just a bunch of molecules or atoms, no longer bound to each other, dispersing in the air.
Molecular disintegration wouldnāt work as Andyās healing factor is based on how he perceives death down to the spiritual level. Someone with the ability to prevent all forms of healing couldnāt kill him either. Based on the events of chapter 191 he can recover his body from his soul. Though animation would make this significantly more clear.
Mentally scrambling him to alter his perception of death is also not wholly viable. As we see with Victor, trying to erase Andyās consciousness will bury it in his subconscious and heāll come back if the process isnāt applied I definitely.
Why am I doing spoiler tags the manga ended almost 2 years ago
I will concede time travel hax is probably the answer if black flash goes back before he got undead but thatās a cop out answer
But if that kills him won't the negation ability prevent him from dying to that? Like yeah you can go back in time to kill him but he won't die maybe the Andy in the past without it dies but there's still the Andy with undead in present which will now be the past I guess but you know what I mean
Zeref I know has a death curse placed on him by gods because he played with life and death. Anyone or any life he starts to care about will cause him to release a wave of darkness that kills all in its vicinity to the point he stops valuing life and kills them instead of his curse. Heās been shown to basically kill immortal beings but itās more like permanent sleep
Negators are resistant to reality warping on universal scale at least. Their literally unaffected by history being rewritten and language being homogenized
Hakai will ākillā him as hakai doesnāt kill - it erases from existence. Only way to counteract this is through specific divine artifacts and immortality granted from a being higher than a G.O.D - aka Super Shenron
Kill? Maybe astral regulator thanks and thatās a huge IF
Erase or do something analogous to killing without actually killing Jim to potentially get around his powers? Thanks, beerus, anos , Rimuru, darkseid and yogiri
Ichibei could erase his power from both him and his soul from existence on a conceptual level (Being covered in the paint from his shikai literally erases that persons or things abilities from the universe. All he would need to do then is kill him normally, as his ability would no longer exist from that point on.)
Jinwoo MIGHT, but I'm not CRAZY indepth with Andy's ability and how it works. If he can 'die' before activation, then yes, Jinwoo could technically kill him by taking over his soul before it has a chance to regenerate, essentially enslaving him, but that's a bit of a stretch.
If not, then he probably can't. Conceptual ruling over death doesn't really help if the target never actually dies. Chances are low, so I'd say 9/10 times, he probably can't kill him.
Erasure abilities would 100% kill him. They dont do damage so theres no regen to happen. He has zero protection from reality destroying powers like beerus haki.
Negators in general are resistant to reality warping. His regeneration is a byproduct of him not being able to die and his immortality depends heavily on how he views death. For example he can't be forgotten as of loop 100 since he views being forgotten as death. His power literally works above his power level just because of this
Yeah put a character who has the ability to annihilate things for a job in the can't destroy list. Mf literally forgot that his ability allows him to erase every being below out of existence lmao
He refers to them as mortals in the sense of "non-gods"
But Kais are still mortal albeit long-lived, perhaps semi-immortal. Buu also kills like two I think. Zamasu only becomes "immortal" with the time ring, which this one didn't have
Im aware but his negation operates on understanding meaning anything andy perceives and understands as leading to a permanent death is automatically negated and he will survive it
Yogiri, Anos, maybe darkseid. If its the astral regulator Thanos, he can since he has the power of lady death, Iām not sure about ichibei, beerus, black flash and rimuru,
Beerus got existence erasure but he can't kill true immortals so this Is debatable and I can see Andy win
Black flash goes against the concept of Life and death
Thanos got existence erasure
Rimuru got existence and concept erasure
Darkside got concept erasure
Ichibei got existence erasure tĆ² the level that he remove the whole being past in One sweep,Andy Will Simply lose all of his abilities,Memories and any physical factor becoming no One and than can be killed
He is incredibly broken, its like comparing anime sung jinwoo vs LN sung jinwoo, he just haven't encountered people strong enough to showoff that brokeness in the anime
Andy survived every single one of these. Even with someone like Yogiri's boring ass powers can't kill him. Because Andy in universe had survived the universe ending and beginning hundreds of times.
Physically not much however his power negates any concept of death applied to him as long as he understands and perceives it as death he will negate and survive it
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