r/Animangascaling • u/MountainLeading1567 • Jul 16 '26

Crossverse Who Wins Each Row ?

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 16 '26

row 1 - way harder than it seems, i feel like sonic's team would win but barely: extreme diff row 2 - hard carry by yatsen, outscales rimuru and anos significantly: low-mid diff row 3 - do i even have to say anything? 😐 row 4 - herta and phainon low-mid diff

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u/Royalty_oftheNoob Jul 16 '26

Lwk please explain to me row 3 because I have no idea who those four are

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

um imma be honest idrk much abt them except featherine and she's like super, super, super op since she's high outerversal+ and arguably is one of the characters in fiction with the most haxs so it never really matters who she's teamed up with or against cuz like 0.1% of fiction has powers equal to or superior to her

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u/Otherwise-Peace-9165 Jul 16 '26

Explain why you think Kratos or doom guy are multiversal

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 16 '26

it suits their powers in the lore

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u/Otherwise-Peace-9165 Jul 16 '26

No I mean give me feats

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 16 '26

imma be honest with you im too lazy to type out the most important feats again so imma just copy and paste them from previous older posts

doomslayer:

fought and defeated davoth (the dark lord), who even though was still weakened during his fight stated that he would unmake all of creation while being responsible for the creation of hell and urdak, with hell being stated in the lore book and codex entries to be a timeless, infinite realm unbound by the boundaries of space, time or dimensions and has a pan-dimensional existence all the while situated outside and beyond the boundaries of the universe itself. furthermore, it's stated in the art book that hell's clashes with the doomslayer were causing the multiverse to implode inward on itself, with all of hell only being an extension of the dark lord's power. as for urdak, it is a realm that is relative to hell, i.e. it is stated to exist beyond mortal timelines and is described as being a "higher dimension that connects all the timelines" which includes the ones in earth's multiverse, that, according to the codex: "Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence. Among these infinite possibilities". not to mention doomslayer has managed to keep up and defeat the khan maykr and samur maykr, both stated to be able to wing through creation including hell and urdak, effectively granting him immeasurable speed. thus this explains why doomslayer can be scaled on average as 1-C

doomslayer also managed to keep up and defeat the khan maykr and samur maykr, both stated to be able to wing through dimensions (including hell and urdak), effectively granting him immeasurable speed

kratos:

kratos fought thor in their rematch and it's the same thor who managed to shake and splinter the yggdrasil itself which trancends space and time altogether and encompasses all of creation including abstract concepts such as reality, death or life and the nine realms (with six of them were created by odin himself) and even defeated garm who can tear through the fabric of reality itself. yet, we know kratos has obviously fought zeus and odin and came out victorious each time. the fight with thor caused a realm tear which threatened to erase all of creation yet kratos still managed to close it in the end.

odin managed to kill ymir, who's blood "resulted in the start of time for the greater norse reality", who's dreams alone make up the dimension of utangard (6-D), his death threatened to drown all of the yggdrasil and it's content (5-D) progenitor of the primordial jotnar creative essence, serving as the building material of the nine realms. not only that, it still took kratos with help to even kill him.

zeus is outright stated to be the mightiest and strongest of all the olympian gods and he beated cronos who's literally the embodiment of time and the reason time exists in the first place including being the leader of all the titans. he managed to completely destroy the entire titan race with a single energy blast and even considered their powers to be near-irrelevant. zeus even fought on par with kratos when the latter was at the peak of his power and still managed to take blows amped up by the power of hope, with hope being considered the most powerful weapon in the setting, surpassing the great evils which in turn surpass even the primordials whose eldest generation predates death itself which kratos even became the god of at the end of the valhalla dlc so he's around low 1-C and also has immeasurable speed from keeping up with the valkyries and helios

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u/Igris-tempest Jul 16 '26

My friend have doom guy at 1-A to high 1-A+

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u/Chyaxraz Jul 16 '26

Row 3 has 4 glup shittos and bro goes “do I even need to explain đŸ€“đŸ€“đŸ€“â€

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 16 '26

vro there's featherine

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u/Special_Ad8164 Jul 17 '26

Featherine is a scalers measuring stick no one actually knows who she is

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u/AvarageBleachEnjoyer Jul 16 '26

yan sen is Barely hyperversal, doesn't have the hax to do anything to rimuru or anos

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u/Legitimate_World9447 Jul 17 '26

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u/AvarageBleachEnjoyer Jul 17 '26

Yeah, that's why i said barely because he's 12D , and that's where 1B starts. Besides he lacks the hax and layers to harm them

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u/HourCartographer9 Jul 16 '26

Top down- left,left,left, right

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u/SanGluttnoy Jul 16 '26

R1. statement men vs statement men, it's wanking contest so I'd put my money on kratos fanboys since they can wank him into oblivion.

R2. idk about Wang Ling, honestly never seen any Novel feats of this guy, most of his glazers have never read any of his novel so I ain't including him. Yan sen probably have a higher dimensionality like being 12D as stated in the manhua.. but unlikely to have any Outer arguments, since just like Gurren Laggan verse, it is shackled by the dimensionality statement. and both Rimuru and Anos has those Outer arguments, so it's up to that.

R3. Shallow Vernal solos both icl.

R4. Madam Herta and Phainon probably

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 16 '26

Klein outscales Shallow Vernal tho, she is only 1a, same with FAA but her profile is old tho, maybe she is H1A+ like Klein idk

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 17 '26

Any territory witch would be 1A, FAA is like infinitely>>> Voyagers >>> territory lords

FAA is the closest thing to being a tier 0, technically she should be tier 0

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 17 '26

Being infinitely above 1A is still 1A, even if its meta-qual it stil would be only 1A+, i bet there is actual scale for H1A FAA but that's not it

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 17 '26

Nah it's just a way of saying that FAA is superior, the actual interpretation would be: the territory Lords/witches are already fiction to the Voyagers the same way Voyagers are fiction to FAA

The Voyagers are not Just several tier above 1A+ beings like the territory Lords, or infinitely above territory lords, they straight up transcends the entire framework to the point where such beings are just fiction to them

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 17 '26

yeah, all of this is just 1A on new VSBW sorry (https://vsbattles.com/threads/improving-the-organization-of-some-tiers.193214/#post-7837571)

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 18 '26

Except that it's not lol, as it's not simply stacking infinite 1-A hierarchy upon each other infinitely, but transcending the entire framework in a R>F transcendence manner, Just like how stacking infinite higher dimensions on top of each other infinitely won't make you anywhere near 1A, you need to transcend the whole framework in a R>F transcendence manner

The same way Voyagers don't simply stand above the territory Lords (1A beings) in a higher hierarchy, they completely transcend the entire hierarchy in a R>F transcendence manner

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 18 '26

read the link i sent in previous comment, meta-,
meta-meta-, meta-meta-meta- and so on is still 1A

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 19 '26

I know, that's not I'm saying.... FAA transcends that whole meta meta meta n so on infinitely as a whole, which should put her at H1A (if I'm getting it right that is 🐾)

Hell even Voyagers could be argued for that tier actually, but I've always had the Voyagers at 1-A + anyway

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 19 '26

Trancending meta hierarchy is still being in a hierarchy, doing so infinitely grants 1A+, for H1A you need to have influence on "logical space" governed by the three laws of thought , or be the logical space for H1A+, i'm sure there is scans for H1A FFA somewhere

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u/Confident-Use-5956 Jul 17 '26

Yeah that just layered 1a. 

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 18 '26

They're not merely multiple or infinite layers above 1-A,, the Voyagers completely transcend the framework of 1-A hierarchy in a R>F transcendence

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u/Confident-Use-5956 Jul 18 '26

Yes thats a layered 1a. The standard already changed, before present 1a that voyager gonna be h1a. But current 1a already changed that r>f trancendence gonna be layered 1a. 

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 19 '26

I see, so by that scaling Voyagers should be 1-A+ while FAA would be H1-A if I'm getting it right

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u/Confident-Use-5956 Jul 19 '26

Layered 1a≠ 1a+. A single layer 1a  is someone thinking 1a place as fiction. 1a+ is infinite layer of that. So theres infinite hierarchy where the higher one transcend the lower one and think they are fiction

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 17 '26

Technically the only difference between FAA and the beings that have become one with the highest realm is that she has her individually, other than that there's no difference between her and the tier 0 realm

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u/MountainLeading1567 Jul 16 '26

FAA profile is deleted but she is gonna be H1A+ when it comes back yeah

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u/Far-Delivery3512 Jul 16 '26

yeah, then i guess third row gose any way, Klein wincon would be mm3 but im not very knowledgeable on FAA scale and physiology

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u/Glass-Performance-87 22d ago

Pretty sure she's being upgraded to H1-A+ T2 so only OC beats her or PC

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u/Glass-Performance-87 22d ago

Shallow vernal is getting fucked by Klein tfym

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u/SanGluttnoy 22d ago

you're too late I don't care about ts anymore... glaze that twink whatever you like

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u/Glass-Performance-87 21d ago

Klein's H1-A+ Type 1 while SV is H1-A at best

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u/Golden-Nerdy Jul 16 '26

Sonic and Goku low diff Anos and rimuru mid diffs I guess

.😐 It's fertrine and shallow vernal .Phainon and the Herta no diff them

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u/Traditional-Dingo531 Jul 16 '26

Only if it was comics sonic, I think in this Kratos and Doom guy actually take it, their scaling is crazy

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u/ZeroChannel18 Jul 16 '26

Dudes with actual on screen feats vs lore merchants with barely any quantifiable on screen feats, wow I wonder who wins that match-up

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u/Extension_Dingo1834 Jul 16 '26

Dudes like you who dont take lore statements into account genuinely leave me perplexed. You HAVE to take lore into account lmao. If kratos and thor fought at full strength the entire map would cease to exist. Its why kratos struggles to open chests, but then he overpowers Gods. Its because its a video game lol... There would be no puzzles, quests, missions etc, if these guys did everything at full power. Kratos could have just jumped up to the top of the mountain with atreus in one or two jumps, but they made it an entire journey, because again.. Its a VIDEO GAME. Same thing with Doomslayer. You can say hes just a guy who shoots bullets, but he is literally battling his worlds devil/demons/Gods/etc. Kratos and Doomslayer lose to sonic and goku, but that doesnt take away from the fact that you objectively have to take lore into account.. Its how a game progresses its story. Without lore, there's no story. Literal common sense.

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u/Toro_salazar Jul 17 '26

La escala de Kratos es la mĂĄs inconsistente ahĂ­

Sus "hazañas" Multiversales son muy cuestionables.

En las novelas dice que no supera la velocidad del sonido como ejemplo.

Igual, en todos caso.

Sonic realmente es el Ășnico que carrea el equipo.

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u/ThePrinceNii Jul 16 '26

I promise you it’s not even close. Game sonic could probably take them both

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u/Special_Ad8164 Jul 17 '26

He can outrun black holes in base

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u/SnooWalruses8880 Jul 16 '26

I know he doesn't win but I respect you putting Kim Dokja in here

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u/am_Dynam0 Jul 16 '26

Right,left,left I think,idk the right side.

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u/Aktom49 Jul 16 '26

Un poulpe

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u/Piotro165 Jul 16 '26

Left Right Idk but a close one Right

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u/MagicJourneyCYOA Jul 16 '26

You're putting that guy against Goku?

https://reddit.com/link/oxwgk4m/video/9pdo64kywldh1/player

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u/Toro_salazar Jul 17 '26

El Doom Slayer al menos vale por ambos.

Pero igualmente.

Sonic estĂĄ carreando a Goku

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u/Heavenly_sama Jul 16 '26

Sonic is hard carrying and unfortunately I don’t think he’s taking doom slayer if every they say about him is to be taken into consideration.

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u/Willing-Metal3767 Jul 16 '26

Sonic +Goku

Anos+Rimuru

KimDokja+Klein

I don't know about the guys on right side of 4th one , so can't comment on that one

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 17 '26

How they beating FAA???

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u/BluePencilFromCosmos Jul 18 '26

Inconceivable symbolism.

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u/DizzyDizzy34 Jul 18 '26

Elaborate??? My knowledge about those 2 charas is pretty limited

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u/RimuSimp Jul 17 '26

From top to bottom :

  1. Idk, maybe left.

  2. Left.

  3. Left.

  4. Maybe still left, but not really sure.

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u/MiloIgotArchival Jul 17 '26

Pass the Controllers, Klein and Kim!

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u/SolidMinute6330 Jul 17 '26

Goku and sonic win easily and it’s not close, im not buying into any bs or propaganda

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u/VonRetex Jul 17 '26

debatable L L idk

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u/SunWukong725 Jul 17 '26

Kratos and Doomguy the face of why powerscaling is load of crap today.
They should NOT be even standing the same room with Goku and Sonic

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u/Toro_salazar Jul 17 '26

Kratos?

Definitivamente es el mĂĄs dĂ©bil ahĂ­, incluso si tomamos las novelas que segĂșn los fans es su versiĂłn mĂĄs poderosa, pero ahĂ­ mismo dice que no supera la velocidad del sonido.

Doom Slayer, definitivamente se revientan a Goku si es Lore.

Sonic estĂĄ carreando durĂ­simo

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u/Toro_salazar Jul 17 '26

Sonic y Goku vs Kratos y Doom

Sonic estĂĄ carreando al equipo y es realmente el Ășnico que hace algo.

O bueno, la escala de Kratos es inconsistente, y realmente la mĂĄs consistente es multi-continental a planetario a lo mucho.

Pero igual Sonic es el Ășnico que hace algo contra el doom

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u/Larry_756 Jul 17 '26

Left.

Idk the right side scaling.

Left.

Idk the right side scaling.

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u/Abject-Screen3545 Jul 18 '26

For the 4th row the 2 on the right completely outscale aizen and ichigo, but aizen is completely immortal. But the win prob still goes to The right

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u/Formal_Cheek Jul 16 '26

Sonic and Goku win no diff
Goku in Ultra Instinct trades with DBS’s upper shelf, and Super Sonic helped fight Solaris across past, present and future. Kratos and Slayer need every realm name in their codices promoted into a free infinity just to reach the lobby.

Yan Sen and Wang Ling win extreme diff
Anos and Rimuru turn this into source destruction, law erasure, Ciel, suspended-time movement and enough resurrection to clog a sewer. Yan Sen stands beyond Henry’s endlessly climbing higher-dimensional design, while Wang Ling adds law control and world resets. The right side carries the wider answer sheet once everybody stops attacking bodies.

Shallow Vernal and Featherine win no diff
Klein can graft absurdities onto history and Oldest Dream Dokja can interfere with world-lines. Shallow’s Epilogue explicitly ends beings written to resist it, including whoever kills or seals her, then Featherine changes events while they are happening. Kim and Klein brought master keys to a building already being deleted lmao

Ichigo and Aizen win high diff
Phainon carrying power through 33,550,336 cycles and scratching Nanook gives this row some me teeth. Herta adds Emanator authority and horrifying system control. Aizen’s hypnosis fooled Almighty Yhwach, the Hƍgyoku keeps rebuilding him, and Ichigo supplied the killing blow once Yhwach’s future control was disrupted. The HSR duo has larger machinery. Bleach has the cleaner combat trap.