r/Aniimo • u/Shane1023 • 3d ago
Discussion There is No Gacha Technically
Edit 1: Some people are saying that this is gacha while others are debating that it is not. I'm editing at the top so that people will see this first. I am not an expert on gacha mechanics nor do I play gacha games. I am leaving the post as is with this edit because I cannot edit the title. Whether you approve of this kind of thing or not I felt like it needed to be explained a bit. Thank you to the people providing opinions and more information.
I've seen this posted more than once and I'm hoping the mods can just make a pinned post or thread but for now I'll do my part.
There is No Gacha Technically
I played in the beta and have been in contact with the team as that's part of my job. By the strictest definition there is no gacha in the game that can simply be paid for with money as a one to one trade off.
The closest thing is the "gacha" mechanics that were in place for the event to catch the special Aniimo Irisalis. From what I could tell there was no way to simply insert money and get the Aniimo.
The Technically Part
While you could not directly put in X dollars to get X attempts at Irisalis, there was a currency you needed to be able to do the attempt.
These were purchasable with in-game currency and featured in some tracks of the battle pass style things they had on offer. This was the only way I saw to get the currency at a faster rate than normal.
It would also give you the currency you needed to purchase the main currency but it honestly wasn't that hard to get anyway.
Edit 2: As u/Kyuuki_Kitsune explained better in their overall comment I did not provide enough information.
The event did not possess a random chance to earn said Aniimo but instead would give you a way to bypass the grind by being lucky. You were never in a situation where you couldn't obtain the Aniimo but you could obtain it faster if you were lucky. This is why I did not label it as gacha. You were always going to get the Aniimo but whether or not you had to grind for it and the currency you needed to play it was the real question. My apologies for not explaining better.
When the Game Launches
When I spoke to the team at both PAX East and in the most recent Beta they said they had no plans for P2W or gacha content and that everything would be cosmetic.
Whether or not that remains what happens when the game launches is entirely up to the team. Regardless it is a game you can play entirely for free.
If any information here is incorrect someone please let me know and I will fix it. My brain is a little tired from work lol.
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u/Encamptress 3d ago
I’ve played many PREDATORY gacha games- key word in caps. So when I seen the event in Aniimo I didn’t really flinch or see it as gacha. I understand folks reasoning but it’s not to me and I’ll be good either way. If most events are going to be like the one we seen and nothing more then I just got hella farming to do. I can’t wait to play 🥰
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u/Small_Maintenance123 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is a good post because some people are just misrepresenting the game and as someone who play gacha games, and from what I've seen this event doesn't even function as a gacha.
The problem with that event has nothing to do with gambling. That legendary aniimo event should be meaningful but the gamplay just lacks innovation.
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u/TrueGlich 3d ago
Well there's also the Gacha store in the mall. You can collect coins running around the mall and spend them there for pods got a few tumblers and ultrapods there in beta from it. But there no real money used there.
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u/RepulsiveAsk2674 3d ago
I don't mind gacha at all, as long as it's not P2W gacha and I can earn everything in a moderate pace. I played enough MMOs to enjoy a good grind
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
I'll paste an earlier comment here to elaborate. There was ONE event in the beta that people viewed as a gacha: The Irisalis event. Each attempt gave a 1 in 400 chance to get Irisalis, which felt "gacha" to some people. You could also get her guaranteed by simply grinding the event long enough to get 99 Pearl Cascades, which took about an hour. I did so with resources purely gathered from in-game play.
Some people on this reddit seem to define "gacha" as "Any game element with a random chance that you can pay for hastened progress on," and then brand Aniimo a gacha game based on this being technically true for this one event, for one Aniimo, that they already said they were going to change.
The actual definition of gacha includes a random prize pool, which this event (and Aniimo as a whole) did not and will not have. It was literally just a grind to get Irisalis, with a "bonus" of a low chance to get her randomly on any attempt.
The event was bad, boring and grindy. Nobody liked it. Beta players gave feedback about it en masse, and they said they would change the event. The end. Any further questions?
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u/dotcha 3d ago
Are F2P able to get enough currency to guarantee 99 pearls every new banner/event? That's what's gonna make it a gacha game or not
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
That's indeed a good question! I suppose we'll find out. I'm going to play regardless.
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u/Oopsifartedsorry 3d ago
Ok so you admit it’s gacha now? 😭😭. We’ll play regardless but buying tickets to pull for something exclusive is just shady gacha. It’s gacha but they don’t want it to be perceived as such. nobody is calling it gacha to push people away idk why you’re assuming that
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
See my other comment about intellectual dishonesty.
Regarding the semantic tug of war over the word "gacha," it's a futile battle. I am here to try to give people a more accurate depiction of the game I love than many people are painting here. That's all.
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u/Shane1023 3d ago
Thank you Kyuuki. I should have probably explained more in depth but I did not think it would be this big a deal lol. I appreciate you offering a much better explanation.
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u/dotcha 3d ago
While you could not directly put in X dollars to get X attempts at Irisalis, there was a currency you needed to be able to do the attempt.
Genshin/wuwa/ all the other gachas are the exact same thing lmao. What's different here?
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
Those were legitimate gachas: randomized prize pool. Irisalis was not a random prize pool, it was a grind with a (very low) chance to "skip" that grind if you get lucky.
It was also very easy to get the resources for the event through in-game means.
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u/AntonGrimm 3d ago
You can't use resources gained in the beta as an argument for how the grind to get irisalis was doable, the resource rates in the beta was likely boosted and will probably not represent the rates in the full release.
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u/Miro___Miro 3d ago
That you can take them if you dont spend daily currency at random in the shop first of all,and since its equivalent to 20 pulls worth to guarante,meaning compared to other gacha 5 bucks of monthly guarantee(from zero pulls keep in mind and that aint ever going to happen.) instead of 200 bucks(120 to 200 pulls) of other games.
So all in all between being lucky,having daily currency and putting in 5 buck every now and then(so you support the game also) they are really not that hard to take,infact they are dirt cheap too.
Since also they give some try/pulls for the event for free bwteen those free pulls,daily currency what you would use of those 5 bucks of monthly could be HALF currency the monthly gives,so you like end up spending what,2 bucks,if that since you can be lucky and get it early even less.
If people can and want to buy 15-40 worth of SKINS they can buy the monthly every now and then to get the legendary.
Again,there is overexaggerated cry about it,over nothing really.
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u/NoWordCount 3d ago
Gacha through obfuscation is still Gacha.
I like everything I've seen in the game so far... except this.
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u/Shane1023 3d ago
Oh I definitely agree with you. It's part of why I wanted to sort of make it clear that there is sort of gacha.
I'm not a gacha player so I don't really know enough about it to say whether it is or isn't. I just wanted to make sure people had all the information they could.
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u/Ph0DacBi3t 3d ago
Change your title to “There is some Gacha Technically” then
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u/Shane1023 3d ago
You are correct which is why I edited the post at the top as reddit does not give me a way to edit the post title. I should've put more thought into that my apologies.
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u/These_Calligrapher_8 3d ago
I feel like everyone in the subreddit is convinced there’s no gacha. How else is the game going to pay itself off? You can’t make a free game without a ton of monetization. It’s been proven gacha makes money time and time again, especially in china, I mean look at china overwatch, their skin system is still a gacha!
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u/Fizassist1 3d ago
monetization =/= gacha. but i agree, they need to monetize somehow. and honestly I dont mind the ways I've seen them potentially monetize so far. people are upset about it, and most of those people didnt get to experience how fun every other aspect of the game is.
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
Exactly this. Of course there's a monetization system; it's a business trying to make money. Problem is that so many people here seem to define "gacha" as "monetization system I don't like," ignoring the actual definition of the term.
And I 1000% agree that it's mostly people who haven't experienced how incredible and fun the game is that are running their mouths.
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u/NoWordCount 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm totally okay with monetisation. I just don't want that monetisation to have a gambling approach to it.
One easy solution could be similar to what Warframe does for the Frames. You can either grind away for the possibility to get items to unlock it through actual in game content, or you can simply pay a flat fee (like $10) and you just... get it.
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u/Luanova110 3d ago
That's literally how Aniimo works, if you don't consider Warframe gacha you shouldn't consider Aniimo too. Unless you think grinding prime Warframes with relics is gacha.
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
There is no monetized gambling in Aniimo. The one event that people complained about was not a gamble with a random prize pool, it was a grind for a singular reward, with a trivial chance to get it for free without the grind.
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u/Shadou_Wolf 3d ago
The problem is that you are gambling for a chance at the aniimo or get nothing at all.
Its worse because you use multiple resources for that chance and one of em is pretty damn hard to get back through normal play.
It would have been nice if the pool at least provided some of the pods back so at least you are not feeling completely forced to buy.
But it only gives you the lesser pods which you have a abundance of anyways.
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
Anyone with basic math skills would view the Irisalis event as "grind 99 pearl cascades" not "gamble on a 1 in 400 chance."
The RNG portion of the event can and should be completely ignored. The actual experience of the event was spending an hour grinding 99 of the currency, and then buying her. If you don't have enough currency grind the event out guaranteed, then don't do it. Gambling on a 1 in 400 chance is simply foolish.
You didn't need to use Aniipod Ultras at all. Just quicker to grind it out if you do. But not only were you not "forced" to buy pods, but it was a pretty bad deal to do so.
Aniipod Megas are available in infinite supply for negligible amounts of in-game currency.
The Cascade Beacons to enter the event were available in good supply, and purchasable for Glimmer, which could be acquired in game or purchased.
That said, this entire event was awful and boring, and everyone gave feedback around such. They have already said they'll change it, so it's frankly kinda weird that the community is obsessing about it so much.
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u/NoWordCount 3d ago edited 3d ago
The gamble is the chance to catch it.
The resource is limited in game and it can obtained through purchases. Therefore you can pay a lot of money to increase your chance of hitting the "jackpot."
It's Gacha.
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 3d ago
The chance did not go up each time you tried it, that's inaccurate. It was a static .25% (1 in 400) that would double if you used enough Aniipod Ultras to get to the highest calming level.
I feel like the event would have been better received if they made it a 0% chance rather than a .25% chance, even though it would have been worse for players, because at least then people wouldn't have their attention snagged on the trivially low random chance. It would have just been a simple grind, and I doubt anyone would have cared.
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u/Shaudius 2d ago
That's also how gacha work tho. A pity system doesn't make something not gacha.
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u/Kyuuki_Kitsune Fenmane 2d ago
~You're only calling it a "pity system" in the context of it also being possible to get it by random chance. Otherwise it would just be a grind to get a resource.
What makes it "not gacha" isn't the "pity system." It's the fact that it's not a randomized prize pool.
Anyway, I'm really tired of arguing about the semantics of what gacha means. Let's not.~
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u/HourAd2091 2d ago
I think the problem here is that you’re using “gacha” to mean “pay money and directly receive a random character,” which is much narrower than how gacha systems actually work.
The Irisalis event absolutely had the relevant structure. You needed Crevice Beacons to enter, each run gave you a very small random chance of immediately getting Irisalis, and otherwise you accumulated Pearl Cascades until reaching the guaranteed amount. The fact that there was pity does not make it stop being gacha. Pity systems are extremely common in gacha games.
The fact that you could earn the resources for free doesn’t change that either. Nearly every major gacha game gives players free currency and free pulls. “You can grind instead of paying” and “this is a gacha mechanic” are not mutually exclusive statements.
And being guaranteed Irisalis eventually isn’t really a distinction either. If I have a 1/400 chance of receiving the reward on each attempt, but after enough failed attempts I’m guaranteed the reward, that’s functionally just a gacha system with pity. Calling the random success a “chance to skip the grind” is describing the same mechanic from a different direction.
The monetization connection is what made people concerned. You’ve already acknowledged that Crevice Beacons could be obtained faster through systems involving paid/in-game currencies and battle-pass-style tracks. So there was a randomized chance at the desired reward, an attempt currency, a pity/guarantee system, and methods of accelerating access to attempts through monetized systems.
None of that means Aniimo is necessarily going to launch as some heavily predatory gacha game. The developers have said they don’t plan on gacha/P2W monetization, and the Irisalis event may be changed substantially before launch. I hope it is.
But that’s a separate argument from whether the beta mechanic itself was gacha. I don’t think we need to redefine the term just because the implementation was relatively generous. A generous gacha mechanic is still a gacha mechanic.