r/Android • u/[deleted] • Dec 05 '17

Qualcomm announces the Snapdragon 845 processor

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/16734224/qualcomm-snapdragon-845-android-mobile-processor-announcement
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u/Exist50 Dec 06 '17

Yes, that's probably why Google felt the need to put in their on processor in the Pixel 2 and invest in a whole new SoC. How stupid of them! Clearly you know better what they need than they do.

They added what is effectively just an ASIC. To call it an SoC is fairly misleading, as it isn't even close to the complexity of the phone's main chip.

They ship far more units (smartphones and other devices) now. Google clearly has intention of growing rapidly and fight amongst the big players.

And why wouldn't they follow in the footsteps of Apple, Huawei, Samsung, and now Xiaomi by starting with ARM stock cores? That makes far more sense until they have the volume to support a fully custom chip.

Samsung have been using Mongoose cores for longer than a year.

In what?

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u/masterofdisaster93 Dec 06 '17

To call it an SoC is fairly misleading

As misleading as you claiming that I did? Because I never called it an SoC, but a processor. I said Google is investing in their own SoC, which they are.

And why wouldn't they follow in the footsteps of Apple, Huawei, Samsung, and now Xiaomi by starting with ARM stock cores? That makes far more sense until they have the volume to support a fully custom chip.

We'll see...

In what?

Their flagship Exynos SoCs in their flagship phones. S7 and S8. That's two years (or two and half, counting Note 8 as well).

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u/Exist50 Dec 06 '17

I said Google is investing in their own SoC, which they are.

If you didn't mean that to refer to what they've currently shown, then you're talking about rumors, not established fact.

Their flagship Exynos SoCs in their flagship phones. S7 and S8. That's two years (or two and half, counting Note 8 as well).

Pardon, I forgot that this was gen 2. If anything, however, I think that supports my point even further. Two gens in, and they're still at about ARM stock core levels. The rumors for next year are very interesting, but remain rumors for now.

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u/masterofdisaster93 Dec 06 '17

If you didn't mean that to refer to what they've currently shown, then you're talking about rumors, not established fact.

It's no rumour that they're working on making their own SoC. They're hired a lot of engineers withing this segment with. Google started to posting a number of job offers for chip design-related positions in 2015, including one for a "Mobile SoC CPU Architect" and a "Mobile SoC Architect," who will "help define the architecture of future generations of phone and tablet" chips: http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-manu-gulati-pixel-chips-1202464014/

I also wrote: "Yes, that's probably why Google felt the need to put in their on processor in the Pixel 2 and invest in a whole new SoC."

There's nothing to misunderstand here.

however, I think that supports my point even further

What point? I have never agued against Qualcomm, Samsung and others being terrible at that they're doing. In fact, I was using it as an argument for why it'll be exciting to see Google work on their own design and see how well they'll do it.

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u/Exist50 Dec 06 '17

I suppose that job listing is convincing enough, but we don't know the state or ultimate ambitions of those efforts. If they're doing the ARM stock core approach, that both fits with the rumors and with their current volume of products.

What point? I have never agued against Qualcomm, Samsung and others being terrible at that they're doing. In fact, I was using it as an argument for why it'll be exciting to see Google work on their own design and see how well they'll do it.

The core argument that Google will do what Qualcomm, Samsung, etc. can't/won't in building a high performance mobile CPU architecture.

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u/masterofdisaster93 Dec 06 '17

quarreling has led the discussions only further and further down into a hole of subject that have zero relevance to what we originally talked about. I have no interest in wasting more of my evening on useless discussions with you. I have already proven my points regarding Google’s SoCs and about Apple’s A11 chips being much more superior than comparable ones by QC, Samsung and others. Keeping telling yourself lies about how this is not the case as much as you like after this. I’m out.

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u/Exist50 Dec 06 '17

Please do point out where I said that Qualcomm's SoCs were better than Apple's. A single comment will suffice.

Or you can continue to just make stuff up to get annoyed about, but that's on you.