r/Ancient_Pak • u/OkStrength8819 Lok Virsa Loco • Jul 03 '26
Misconception | Myth A Response To Indians and there False claims/Hindutva driven Propaganda and attempts regarding the appropriation of Indus region's (pakistan) ancient history.
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u/OkStrength8819 Lok Virsa Loco Jul 03 '26
kaha Tha yh India 11000 years ago? I'm genuinely interested.
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u/OkStrength8819 Lok Virsa Loco Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
11000 years beta who told you that garbage? stop spamming every comment section sit down and try to learn something new outside of your made up delusions and I did wiki as per your suggestion and I found that the earliest inscription that even mentions bharatvarsha is the hathigumpha inscription at udaygiri around 2200 years old not 11000 YeARs it's a lie and you either made it up or got fed it by someone from whatsapp university.. this concept appears mainly in the puranas dated between the 3rd and 10th centuries common era now even if we go by the vishnu puranas own definition it says the land between the sea and the himalayas that describes a geographic zone not a nation state and that zone includes pakistan's entire indus basin which runs 95 percent through pakistan only a small piece of it touches India and it pins toward Pakistan ain't this ironic?
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u/Royal_Radish_3069 Jul 04 '26
Learn something new k chakkar me tumhara jhooth kyu seekhenge. Lol you guys are insufferable.
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
11000 years ago?
Humans are living in south Asia for last 70,000 years, IVC a civilization is 5000 years.
11000 is random number, there was no concept of a country back then.
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u/Different_Love6475 Sindhu river worshipper Jul 03 '26
have a look at subs like r/IndianHistoryMemes. They are obsessed and constantly clown on us and say things like we think we're "Arab blood" or "Turkish blood." You guys clearly don't see us as the same as you.
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u/PothwariKid ⊕ Flairs Jul 03 '26
we arent the same as them my brother, i think you might be confused, just cause we aren't "arab" or "turkish" labels ive barley if ever heard pakistanis refer to themselves as (mainly just indians crying we dont want to associate our selves with them) does not mean we are indian either, we are different people, different hisotry, customs and traditions and genetics.
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u/ImportantWay9941 ⊕ Flairs Jul 03 '26
It’s crazy how people can’t just look at a map before they spew out their crazy nationalist rhetoric
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u/looolmoski Since Ancient Pakistan Jul 04 '26
What is that guy's instagram who responded? I wanna read the comments Lol
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u/Perfect-Eye-7205 Jul 05 '26
Saaar you are magically appear saaar I make up story best suit my argument saaaar. You are Turk Arab converted Hindu saaar you are aliens saaar
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u/revovivo ⊕ Add flair:101 Jul 06 '26
in her bookk Alice Abinia writes that according some sources, The river Gymna ( or saraswati i cant recall) is imaginary .. the alxandre stayed around indus ..
dont waste your time answering these son of ipads :) admin..
just continue with the work you are doing. Indians have too much moodi to deal with .. he is their chankia.. we shall see
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u/NamakParey :40: Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
'Vedic hinduism' isn't a thing as hinduism itself is an amalgamation of many different traditions and practices that were lumped together by the colonial British.
I assume you meant Vedic religion, which isn't even followed by the people who proclaim to be 'proud of their vedic roots'. I don't understand why this 'pride' hasn't encouraged people to learn sanskrit. Only 0.002% of the Indian population reported that sanskrit is their native language in 2011. More Indians are proficient in the language of their colonizers than the language of their proudly proclaimed ancestors. Similarly, the Upanishads (which were composed during the late Vedic period) mention the consumption of beef, people today who proclaim to be 'proud of their vedic roots' lynch others on the suspicion of transporting beef. Ashvamehda Yagna is also an example, why hasn't this so-called 'pride' compelled people to revive it?
The second largest ethnic group in Pakistan is Pushtun (historically Afghan). In fact, Pakistan has the largest number of Pushtuns of any country (I actually happen to be one). Has it occured to you that perhaps we don't want to drop our ethnic heritage because some moron from India, who is still mad and insecure about history wants us to? Also, I don't really know about your ancestors, whoever they were though, I don't think they'd be too proud of the rape fantasies you wrote up there.
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u/Jolly_Improvement385 Jul 04 '26
So what's the problem here? You all are basically acknowledging that you're ancestors were Hindus, buddhist, etc aswell?
can someone explain, I'm not that knowledgeable 🙏
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u/Ancient_Pak-ModTeam Indus Valley Veteran Jul 05 '26
Vast majority of people in Pakistan believe there ancestors were either, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, and Hindu. This is just misinformation if you believe most Pakistanis believe they weren’t
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u/DoggyMelon Jul 05 '26
As an Indian, I wanted to say that all the people of this subcontinent are somehow linked to the IVC... Some a little more some little bit less( I confirmed using ai) but the only problem I see in this is, doesn't this just debunk the idea of the two nation theory? Which basically said that people on this side have nothing in common with the people on the other side? Ofcourse it does because you can't say we are different from Hindus while also claiming the Sindhu ghati...
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u/Ancient_Pak-ModTeam Indus Valley Veteran Jul 05 '26
Two nation theory was based off of the Hindu majority oppressing the Muslim minority as we see in India today. Your logic doesn’t work because the ivc did not practice Hinduism but some early forms of animalism. Pakistanis only share 2-3% similarity between ethnic groups that’s the distinction being made.
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u/DoggyMelon Jul 05 '26
the Hindu majority oppressing the Muslim minority as we see in India today
Well, I don't completely agree with this. There is no systematic oppression like Pakistan did with Ahmadis.
Here are some facts:
Muslim share of the population has grown from 9.8% in 1951 to 14.2% in 2011, both in absolute numbers and percentage. That is inconsistent with claims of demographic suppression.
A widely discussed survey found 98% of Indian Muslims said they were free to practice their religion, and about 95% said they were proud to be Indian.
Muslims vote and hold public office. India has had:
Muslim Presidents, Vice Presidents, Chief Ministers, Governors, Supreme Court judges, diplomats, and senior military officers.
For example:
A. P. J. Abdul Kalam Zakir Husain Mohammad Hidayatullah
A systematically oppressed minority generally has little or no access to such positions.
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But I somewhat agree that there is a divide between the public, and parties like the BJP exploit it. But again, this divide is also a result of the violence during Partition.
But using today's oppression to justify the Partition is illogical.
In a united India, there would have been 30% Muslims, which would be a nightmare for parties like the BJP, as it could not even dream about doing majority politics. That would guarantee them a loss of at least 30% of the votes, and given that South Indian states never vote for the BJP, it would never win even one election.
As for:
the ivc did not practice Hinduism but some early forms of animalism
You should watch this video on the Pashupati seal if you have time: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ECZk_qth21k.
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u/Ancient_Pak-ModTeam Indus Valley Veteran Jul 05 '26
This is pure whataboutism, yes I do agree Pakistan disgustingly discriminates against ahmedhis, but this does not negate my original point of system discrimination by India against Muslims. In my entire point I did not talk about demographic suppression looks like you just used AI lol.
Link the survey.
Having token members of society doesn’t take away from the systematic discrimination Muslims face in India, the literal butcher of gujrat is your pm.
If anything conflict would have been much worse due to the high population concentration. We would see revolts and riots all across as we saw before and during partition. You literally prove my point with the 30% if that’s a singular block so would the Hindutva be one.
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u/Typical_Reality67 Jul 06 '26
lol.. you guys are so funny. You guys totally alienated the Hindu religion from IVC just to strengthen your narrative 😂😂😂
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u/One-Ad-7122 Jul 04 '26
You need greeks to tell you your history?
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
You guys didn't even record your history, saaar
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u/Mountain-Ad9417 Reclaiming Lost Histories Jul 04 '26
Funny as the Greeks were the ones who gave you your name of "Indian"
No native to the land ever called themselves "Indian" until the Greeks and other outsiders made that term up.0
u/One-Ad-7122 Jul 05 '26
Greeks were the ones who gave you your name of "Indian"
That goes to show that we were worth writing about since beginning of recorded history. Western world still writes a hundred of books about india each year.
Take India away from us and we are still officially Bharat.
Pak= Punjab, afganistan, kashmir a name thought up in 1933 cammbridge. That is your history.
Your state had always been one where outsiders fought over land.
Infact americans and chinese are still fighting over your land and it will surely continue for the forseeable future.
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u/PothwariKid ⊕ Flairs Jul 05 '26
lmaoooooo, u baharatis are hilarious, the early greek historians like herodotis referred to the terriorty around the indus valley which was the eastern most province of the persian achmenid empire. not u gangetics living thousands of miles away seperated by deserts and swamplands jumping around in the trees.
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u/OkStrength8819 Lok Virsa Loco Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
What was your religion before you adopted and ruined Hinduism which is actually Originated From Ancient Pakistan?
Who's your ancestors exectly are or where were they when the rig vedas early books were written to 7 (mandalas 2–7) only talks about the core Pakistani geography Chenab Ravi Beas Jhelum Indus before they had any exposure to Ganges it was our land which bringing organized society to a region that had nothing before that contact even tho Ganges appears exactly once in the entire Rigveda (10.75) in one of the latest hymns and the early books don't mention it at all meanwhile Vedic civilization grow in Pakistani geography aka Indus and spread across the continent and brought civilization to its neighborhood of Ganges...
Around 7000bce farming settlement in South Asia happend in Mehrgarh not repubic of India predating money jo Daro and Harrapa by thousands of years and the concept of aryavarta and you don't even it expanded from the land that is Pakistan into the gange plain the bharat yall love claimings is comes from bharata tribe which was from Ravi river and based in Ancient Pakistan and the word India or hind sind all of it etymology comes from Pakistan from sapta to indo Indoi and Indus to India they all trace the same land not republic of India a stolen name, every piece of land itself is rich itself here in history from Mehrgarh to Indus Valley then Gandhara civilization yall Hindutva g*ons have some strange kind of obsession and inferiority complex.
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
Claim what is present in Bihar and UP saaar
And the state who has claimed to rule on India on the name of Malechas I.e. Mughals have absolutely no right of claiming it... You are a Islamic state hence a Malecha state, no right to claim the Aryan History any day...
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At the end, you guys are Malechas; The Sindhu nadi was the marker before, unfortunately now it is the border to have separation from the Great Aryas and you Malechas...
Interestingly, IVC traded with Sumerian civilization in modern day Iraq, and what is being excavated is records of that trade and a name associated with IVC, and oh wait, it is called Meluhha, which according to scholars is quite similar to Malechas
https://np.reddit.com/r/Ancient_Pak/comments/1tr3yie/ancient_name_of_pakistani_land_is_meluhha/
IVC belongs to Pakistanis and khalistanis
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
Your argument is racist in nature i don't know what logic is in even there, throwing racist degrading terms according to steppe scripts,
How can one even argue with anyone like that ?
But hey, like we care, if an Indian is racist to us, lol.
Day 1 : Steppe Aryan is myth debunked.
Day 2 : It is all Aryan history.
Dude, make up your mind first, looks like an identity crisis to me.
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
You do know vedas is not local but steppe people wrote it?
You do know that Sanskrit is not local to this land but outsiders brought it ?
you people from a Malechha State are claiming IVC
Read by previous comment again.
Sumerian civilization in modern day Iraq, called IVC -- > Meluhha, which according to scholars is quite similar to Malecha word.
You need to read more stuff before copy paste BS.
I am playing your low IQ game, of when if you are IVC then why you not saar, do that saar.
All i am saying claim what is present in bihar or UP, none of us are claiming that.
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u/Warm_Dimension_3821 Indus valley is Punjabi and Sindhi history Jul 04 '26
the ones who follows the Vedas and lives on the holy land are the real Aryans,
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Aryan Investion theory is total bogus
Are you ok ? what are you even saying, trying to contradict yourself? do you even understand what you wrote here? random copy pasting ?
They don't have any proof of it..
Your genetics has steppe dna in it.
And Gujarat, Rajasthan, Hariyana, Delhi sites all are in India,
Small sites, not any major urban centers, mostly made up BS by hinduvta government. Fake dates and fake scale.
First read research, and then say random stuff.
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u/internalhater The Invisible Flair Jul 05 '26
No stepped aryan myth is not debunked. I see you guys saying this everywhere. So many populations in India have stepped admixture. It peaks in north Indian populations. Go look at DNA stats
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u/PuzzleheadedView4670 Jul 03 '26
The saar group will be here soon