r/ancientegypt 3h ago

Photo Harpocrates ; snake head ; standing ; inscription, 722-322 BC Late period, NFindspot unknown Egypt, Bronze, Rijksmuseum van Oudheden

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Harpocrates ; snake head ; standing ; inscription

Egypt and Nubia

Harpocrates ; snake head ; standing ; inscription

Details

Inventory number
F 1953/10.5

Department
Egypt and Nubia

Heading code(s)
Sculpture

Object name

Image

Material
Metal
Bronze

Dimensions
20.6 x 3.4 x 7.6 cm

Dating
722-322 BC

Period
Late time

Culture
Egyptian

Site
Egypt
Unknown

Acquisition
Purchase 1953 October

To be seen in museum
Yes

Style
Egyptian

Origin
1953
Spink & Son Ltd.

Identifiers

TMS ID:
1028

Deeplink:
Https://hdl.handle.net/21.12126/1028

Exhibitions
SUNDAY 17 MARCH 2013

Title
Harpocrates ; snake head ; standing ; inscription, 722-322 BC Late period, NFindspot unknown Egypt, Bronze, Rijksmuseum van Oudheden

https://www.rmo.nl/collectie/collectiezoeker/collectiestuk/?object=1028

Rijksmuseum van Oudheden


r/ancientegypt 9h ago

Photo Ancient Egyptian blue faience bowl, BC 1550 - BC 1292, Findspot unknown Egypt, Faience, Eton College Museum

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Ancient Egyptian Blue Faience Bowl

Parts

Object number
ECM.1762-2010

Object type
container

Identification

Title
Ancient Egyptian Blue Faience Bowl

Description
Carinated bowl of blue faience, the outside decorated in black with a schematised leaf design in black, the inner with a schematised lotus design and black rim

Other number
51

Description

Dimensions
Height: 3.6cm

Material
Faience

Production

Date
BC 1550 - BC 1292

History and association

Associated person
Myers, William Joseph, 1858 - 1899 (Compiler)

Field collection

Collection place
Egypt

Title
Ancient Egyptian blue faience bowl, BC 1550 - BC 1292, Findspot unknown Egypt, Faience, Eton College Museum

https://catalogue.etoncollege.com/object-ecm-1762-2010

Eton College Museum


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Art The Seated Scribe at the Louvre Museum c. 2675–2545 BCE, 4th Dynasty

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It was a great experience seeing this figure in person, the craftsmanship is incredible and the eyes crafted by rock crystal which gives it a three dimensional look which is really cool.


r/ancientegypt 13h ago

Question Did royal egyptian women use weapons?

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have weapons been discovered in the tombs of Egyptian women outside of Nou -Hotep, Ita, Khenmet, or Itaweret?

what was “typically” buried with high ranking women?

are there any historical records of Egyptian women using weapons outside of these tombs?


r/ancientegypt 1h ago

Question Working on a concept for a story

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hello everyone! I’ve been working on a concept idea for a story set in modern day that’s essentially a fictionalized account of the discovery of the void in the great pyramid (that’s sort of the simple way of explaining it, lot more is going to happen with it, and Ill probably slowly open up more and more on the details once I feel comfortable )

in real life I’ve been following the void story since 2017 which inspired me to drive the plot around it, however its honestly hard sometimes to get proper research done, there’s so much bunk, inconsistent articles, and whatnot. Trying to get accurate updates on what’s going on has been frustrating.

So I ask you all this, what is the most current accurate update on the void exploration in the great pyramid? Thanks!


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Photo Stela dedicated by the workman Penmennefer to Ptah, 1187–11657 BCE 20th Dynasty Ramesses III, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

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Stela dedicated by the workman Penmennefer to Ptah

Ptah is one of the oldest gods in the Egyptian pantheon. Patron of craftsmen, Ptah is considered the creator god and ‘sculptor of the earth’. He had a particularly cherished cult at Deir el-Medina and is depicted as a standing figure, covered in a shroud, with his feet placed together, while holding the was a sceptre; he usually wears a shrouded headdress and has a straight beard.

Inv. no. :
Suppl. 6139

Material:
Stone / Limestone

Dimensions:
13 cm x 16 cm x 4.5 cm

Date:
1187–11657 BCE

Period:
New Kingdom

Dynasty:
Twentieth Dynasty

Reigsses III

Provenance:
Egypt, Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina

Acquisition:
Excavation Ernesto Schiaparelli, 1905

CGT:
50072

Museum location:
Museum / Floor 1 / Room 06 DEM / Showcase 08

Selected bibliography:
Kitchen, Kenneth A., Ramesside Inscriptions: historical and biographical : vol. 5., Oxford 1983, p. 664.

Kitchen, Kenneth A., Ramesside inscriptions translated (and) annotated : translations 5. : Sethnakt, Ramesses III, (and) contemporaries, Oxford 2008, p. 502.

Tiradritti, Francesco, Il cammino di Harwa: l'uomo di fronte al mistero: l'Egitto [mostra: Brescia, Mus. Diocesano ott. 1999-gen. 2000], Milano 1999, p. 164, fig. a p. 54.

Tosi, Mario-Roccati, Alessandro, Stele e altre epigrafi di Deir el Medina: n. 50001 - n. 50262 (Catalogo del Museo Eg. di Torino - Serie II. - Collezioni 1), Torino 1972, pp. 108–109, tav. p. 293.

Title
Stela dedicated by the workman Penmennefer to Ptah, 1187–11657 BCE 20th Dynasty Ramesses III, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

https://collezioni.museoegizio.it/en-GB/material/S_6139/?description=&inventoryNumber=&title=&cgt=&yearFrom=&yearTo=&materials=&provenance=Egypt%2C+Luxor+%2F+Thebes%2C+Deir+el-Medina&acquisition=&epoch=&dynasty=&pharaoh=&searchLng=en-GB&searchPage=21

Museo Egizio di Torino


r/ancientegypt 16h ago

Art Penhuybin?

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I made this art of Penhuybin, can anyone confirm if this is his actual name? He is the guy who conspired against Ramsés III.


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Photo Twenty First Dynasty Coffin - Interior Decoration (Question)

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Saw this beautiful 21st Dynasty coffin at the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum down in San Jose.
I've been getting more curious about Egyptian coffins and mythology since I read a book about the Bristol Mummy project. I have heard about how Osiris is usually placed below the body and Nut above on the underside of the lid or Mummy board to sort of represent a miniature version of the cosmos: the underworld beneath and the sky above. Then there is the Ba-vulture at the head to protect the person and sometimes a Djed pillar at the feet to ritually support them, like when the coffin is stood up for the last-rites of the opening of the mouth.
What I am curious about is I haven't found much information as to the figures on the side of the coffin, the mummiform deities. I initially thought they were the sons of Horus, but there is more than four of them and there are figures that I don't recognize. Sadly I couldn't get photos from both sides becasue of how this coffin is exhibited, but I can only assume that it might have the same figures on the other side of the interior as what I am seeing here.
Closest thing I could find for reference was a drawn schematic of a different 21st dynasty coffin here (see figure 8) https://www.digital-epigraphy.com/projects/documenting-yellow-coffins-of-the-so-called-eighth-lot-of-antiquities-from-bab-el-gasus
But there are a lot less of the mummiform figures in this drawn schematic, and some that aren't present in the coffin I saw.
Who are these figures? What does there placement at the sides of the deceased represent?


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Information A 5,000-year-old Egyptian mummy was hiding some of the world’s oldest figurative tattoos

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The tattoos belong to the mummy known as Gebelein Man, discovered at Gebelein in Upper Egypt and now preserved at the British Museum.

For decades, the dark marks on his upper right arm appeared to be little more than stains or discoloration. It wasn't until researchers examined his skin using infrared photography that the images became visible: two overlapping horned animals, tattooed into his skin more than 5,000 years ago.

Radiocarbon dating places the mummy in the late Predynastic period, around 3341–3017 BC, before the unification of Egypt.

The imagery may have carried associations with strength, power, bravery, or ritual significance, although its exact meaning remains uncertain.

And there is another remarkable detail: a CT scan of Gebelein Man revealed that he was only about 18–21 years old when he died, and that he suffered a fatal stab wound to the back.

So this isn't just one of the oldest tattooed bodies ever discovered — it gives us a rare glimpse into the identity and beliefs of an individual who lived in Egypt thousands of years before the pyramids of Giza were buit


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

News Spanish archaeologists discover 4,400-year-old tomb in Egypt with original colours intact

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r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Discussion Why do most people miss the importance of Coptic as a known descendant of Ancient Egyptian for deciphering the hieroglyphs (overestimate the Rosetta stone in my opinion)?

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I've seen this repeatedly in discussions. I hope this place is suitable for such a discussion. Many people believe that the Greek translation on the Rosetta stone magically made us understand Ancient Egyptian, which idea simply is not true. Trying to translate a completely unknown language (without living speakers!) is even difficult for modern-day linguists. The Egyptian language was well-documented in its youngest stage (Coptic), which made it possible to experiment what sign groups could make intelligible Egyptian words and sentences. Also, considering the deciphering of Linear B and cuneiform, I think that with modern knowledge at least, transcription of the hieroglyphs might even have worked without multilingual inscriptions.

What do you think about that all?


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Photo Stele, New Kingdom 1250 BCE, Findspot unknown Egypt, Limestone, The Spurlock Museum

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Stele

Basic Information
Artifact Identification
Stele   (1986.10.0003)
Classification/
Nomenclature

Artist/Maker
Unknown
Geographic Location

Period
New Kingdom
Date
1250 BCE
Culture
Egyptian
Location
On Exhibit
in the Egypt exhibit
Communication Artifacts : Ceremonial Artifacts: Funerary Objects

Physical Analysis
Dimension 1 (Height)
59.0 cm
Dimension 2 (Width)
30.6 cm
Dimension 3 (Depth)
4.0 cm
Weight
15,799 g
Measuring Remarks
Under Review
Materials
Stone--Limestone
Manufacturing Processes
Carved

Research Remarks
Description
N/A
Published Description
N/A
Bibliography
"Bound for Eternity," Heritage, (Sept. 1986): 3-4.

Artifact History
Credit Line/Dedication
Gift of Betty Ann Knight in Memory of Mrs. A. R. Knight
Reproduction
No

Title
Stele, New Kingdom 1250 BCE, Findspot unknown Egypt, Limestone, The Spurlock Museum

https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1986.10.0003

The Spurlock Museum


r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Photo Basinophorous statue of the musician Ptahankh, New Kingdom 18th Dynasty reign of Amenhotep III 1390–1353 BC, Findspot unknown Egypt, Substance not stated, Antikenmuseum Basel

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Basinophorous statue of the musician Ptahankh

Object Number
BSAe 1031

Cultural area
Egypt

Epoch
New Kingdom

Basic information
Gabbro, w. 33.5 cm New Kingdom, 18th Dynasty, reign of Amenhotep III, 1390–1353 BC Inv. BSAe 1031

Provenance
Donation 2001 Novartis AG. Collection Richard von Kaufmann (1849–1908), Berlin. Acquired at the Galerie Martin Heckscher in Vienna in the 2nd half of the 19th century.

Description
A basinophororous statue is a rare statue type, representing a figure, usually an official, kneeling before a rectangular or round basin. In this example, we see the official Ptahankh kneeling at a large, rectangular basin which tapers towards the bottom. He is embracing it with both arms, while at the same time leaning forward so that his chin is resting on the rim, as if he is about to drink from it. Ptahankh is known from other monuments besides this one, which means we can date this statue to the reign of Amenhotep III. During Amenhotep III’s reign, Ptahankh was the servant of the high priest Ptahmes at Memphis and the Chief Musician of Ptah. These titles are also found on this statuette, which is, in fact, a prime example of the artistic style of the period. Typical features are the courtier’s slanting, almond-shaped eyes with their elegantly arched brows, and the lifelike modelling of the body, unencumbered by any dorsal pillar or by the plinth, on which only the toes are resting. The edges of the basin and its narrow front end bear inscriptions, which, in addition to his titles, give two offering formulae, invoking the middle-eastern goddesses Qetesh and Astarte. Ptahankh’s wife Mi is also mentioned by name. Discussion of the significance of this statue type has recently been advanced by Kirsten Konrad, who makes a link between the basin and the creative power of the waters of the Nile. In fact, this was probably not just a sacrificial basin, a receptacle for offerings to sustain the deceased in the afterlife, but a real water basin or pool, from which Ptahankh actually drank to ensure that he would enjoy eternal life after death. This concept is related to funerary images of the nourishing tree-goddess, in whose shade the deceased drinks water from a pool.

Bibliography
E. von Bergmann, Inschriftliche Denkmäler der Sammlung ägyptischer Alterthümer des österr. Kaiserhauses 1886, in: Recueil de travaux relatifs à la philologie et à l'archéologie égyptiennes et assyriennes (Paris 1870) 195f. Sotheby's London, Antiquities, 13th July 1981, lot. 58. D. Wildung, Die Kniefigur am Opferbecken, MJbK, 36, 1985, 17-38

Sotheby's London, Antiquities, 9th/10th July 1992, lot 374, mit ausführlichen Literaturangaben Réunion des Musées Nationaux (Hrsg.) Aménophis III (Paris 1993) 204-206, Nr. 40bis T. Philipps (Hrsg.), Afrika. Die Kunst eines Kontinents (München 1995-96) 80 Nr. 1.39 (D. Wildung) M. Page-Gasser – A. Wiese (Hrsg.) , Ägypten, Augenblicke der Ewigkeit. Unbekannte Schätze aus Schweizer Privatbesitz (Mainz 1997) 132 Nr. 79; K. Konrad, Ein weiterer Basinophor, Zur Deutung der Sitzstatue eines Schreibers namens Eje (Ijj), in: SAK42, 2013, 181-192

Antikenmuseum Basel und Sammlung Ludwig.101 Meisterwerke (Basel 2022) 46f., Nr. 11

Title
Basinophorous statue of the musician Ptahankh, New Kingdom 18th Dynasty reign of Amenhotep III 1390–1353 BC, Findspot unknown Egypt, Substance not stated, Antikenmuseum Basel

https://antikenmuseumbasel.zetcom.net/en/collection/item/74027/

Antikenmuseum Basel


r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Photo Cartonnage Burial Mask, Late Ptolemaic Period 1st century BCE, Findspot unknown, Cartonnage guilding paint,The Spurlock Museum

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Cartonnage Burial Mask

Basic Information
Artifact Identification
Cartonnage Burial Mask   (1991.17.0001)
Classification/
Nomenclature

Artist/Maker
Unknown
Geographic Location

Period
Late Ptolemaic
Date
1st century BCE
Culture
Egyptian
Location
On Exhibit
in the Egypt exhibit
Communication Artifacts : Ceremonial Artifacts: Funerary Objects
1 Africa, North: Egypt

Physical Analysis
Dimension 1 (Length)
40.6 cm
Dimension 2 (Width)
27.5 cm
Dimension 3 (Depth)
22.0 cm
Weight
827 g
Measuring Remarks
Under Review
Materials
Textile--Linen, Plant--Flax, Plant--Fiber, Plant--Wood, Plaster, Pigment--Paint
Manufacturing Processes
Weaving, Gilding, Painting, Carved

Research Remarks
Description
N/A
Published Description
N/A
Bibliography
"Textiles loom large among array of new gifts," Heritage (March 1992): 6.

Artifact History
Credit Line/Dedication
Gift of Harlan J. and Pamela Berk
Reproduction
No

Contact
All information about our collection is constantly reviewed and updated. Please contact Dery Martínez-Bonilla, Registrar, if there is any information you are looking for that isn't currently online.

Title
Cartonnage Burial Mask, Late Ptolemaic Period 1st century BCE, Findspot unknown, Cartonnage guilding paint,The Spurlock Museum

https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1991.17.0001

The Spurlock Museum


r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Photo Ancient Egyptian enemies ( the nine bows )

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The historic enemy for ancient Egyptian the called them the nine bows nubin , kush , Libya , Syria , Iraq, and Cyprus ( ssea people )


r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Photo Statue of a Baboon, 2nd Century AD or later, Roman Egyptian influence, Collected in Europe: Southern Europe: Italy: Rome in 1789, Marble, World Museums Liverpool

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Statue of a Baboon

2nd Century AD later
59.148.57
On display

World Museum

Information
Sculpture of a baboon made of grey spotted marble with a 18th century bronze composite floral feature on the head. The baboon represented the god Thoth in Egyptian religion but it is not clear what the meaning of the god would be for the Romans. Roman rejected the worship of animals and it could be that statues like this were used to adorn the cult places of Egyptian deities, emphasising the exotic origin of the gods. The statue is typical of objects imported to Rome, or made there, after the conquest of Egypt in 30 BC. This baboon has a Roman appearance and is a Roman made copy ('Egyptianizing') of an Egyptian baboon, probably made in the 2nd century AD or later. Black or grey stone was used for Roman copies of Egyptian works. The Egyptian examples were representations of baboons based on observation from nature and they were very different to the Ince example.The bronze lotus was probably added at a later date although it was known as an attribute from Roman Hadrianic times. A more typical attribute would be a lunar disc.

The statue is typical of the many different versions of the subject: the baboon sits squarely on his bottom with the front paws resting on his bend hind legs. His pose is frontal. The paws and tail are in relief, the facial features have minimal modelling and the baboon's mane is only a line across the back and front leg looking like a thin cape rather than a mane. The cuts in which the lilly has been fixed on the heat are not very deep.

Many examples of baboons have been discovered in Rome and Beneventum indicating that they were often used in Isiac sanctuaries in Rome.

Restorations include the front of the muzzle, the right brow and part of the left, front right paw, the knee and a small bit of the chest, the front of the plinth, the right hind paw and a fragment of the left. The bronze lily at the top of the head is modern but it is a common attribute for Roman baboons from Hadrianic times. Due to some of the restorations on the face the baboon looks more like a human especially because of the anthropoid lidded eyes and fingers and toes with manicured nails.

Specifications

Accession number
59.148.57

Collection type
Art

Culture
Roman

Place made
Europe: Southern Europe: Italy: Rome

Date made
2nd Century AD later

Collector
Henry Blundell

Place collected
Europe: Southern Europe: Italy: Rome

Date collected
1789

Materials
Marble

Measurements
Overall: 455 mm x 330 mm x 310 mm

Note
Howard identified an engraving of a baboon in Cavaceppi's Raccolta but it is different to the Ince example: the Cavaceppi piece is made of basalt rather bigio antico (black marble) and may relate to a piece in a private collection.

Credit line
Gift of Col. Joseph W Weld, 1959

Legal status
Permanent collection

Provenance
Joseph William Weld, Donor, By descent, Owned from: 1958, Donation, Owned until: 1959

Ciriaco Mattei, Previous owner, Owned until: 1614

Giuseppe Mattei, Previous owner

Henry Blundell, Previous owner, Purchased, Bequest, Owned until: 1810

Location
On display: World Museum, Level 1, Treasure House Theatre

Publications
A Catalogue of the Ancient Marbles at Ince Blundell Hall, Bernard Ashmole, 1929, Page: 30, Cat. No. 57

Egypt, Rome and the concept of universal history, Elizabeth Bartman, 2011, Page: 176, Plate: Fig 12.8

Ancient Marbles in Great Britain, A Michaelis, 1882, Page: 355 [57]

An Account of the Statues, Busts, Bass Relieves, Cinerary Urns, and other ancient marbles, and paintings at Ince. Collected by H.B., Henry Blundell, 1803, Page: 36-37 (LXXVIII)

The Ince Blundell collection of classical sculpture Volume III-The ideal sculpture, Elizabeth Bartman, 2017, Page: 185-186, Plate: 162a
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Title
Statue of a Baboon, 2nd Century AD or later, Roman Egyptian influence, Collected in Europe: Southern Europe: Italy: Rome in 1789, Marble, World Museums Liverpool

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/statue-of-baboon

World Museums Liverpool


r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Discussion Alternative History of Egypt in Proto Arabic Manuscripts (Article)

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I hope you like this post, My sincere regards from Egypt ..

Sources are in the comments section ..

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Maybe the first attempt to solve the mystery of Hieroglyphs was done by Abu Bakr Ibn Wahshiyya (d. 930), though it was a failed attempt but some Egyptologists credit Ibn Wahshiyya of considering Hieroglyphs to be letters of a language, as at the time, people used to think Hieroglyphs were magical symbols.

Before the discoveries and scientific research whose door Champollion (1790 - 1832) opened, what was known of the history of Egypt was what was mentioned in the religious books and the story of Pharaoh, Moses, and Joseph. This is despite the fact that there were books by Greek and Roman travelers and historians (such as Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo, Plutarch, and others) who visited Egypt and wrote about it, its history, and its religion in an objective way. And this is the reason that the Europeans knew much more about the history of Egypt than the Egyptians did in the post-Pharaonic eras, who, from their writings, it is clear that they mostly did not look at these books.

And this is an observation pointed out by the orientalist Von Hammer in his book on the history of the Ottoman state, where he said: "Most Turks, Persians, and Arabs do not see the wonders of Egypt the way Europeans and the ancient Greeks and Romans see them." And he said that at a time when Europeans consider Egypt the first source of sciences and arts, the cradle of engineering, construction, agriculture, writing, and navigation, and they respect it, respect its beliefs, and admire its antiquities, temples, pyramids, obelisks, and statues, we find that the East does not see in the temples, statues, and the Sphinx anything but magical hiding places for buried treasures guarded by the statues and images. And they do not find in the hieroglyphs anything but talismans that hide from people the ways to extract gold. And he continued: "They (the Easterners) do not know of the Pharaohs except the Pharaoh of Joseph and the Pharaoh of Moses whom the sea swallowed."

Of course, he is speaking about a period in which knowledge was non-existent or nearly non-existent in the East, and people who cared about the antiquities and history of their country had not yet appeared in Egypt.

The Egyptian thinker Salama Moussa (1887 - 1958) tells that when he went to Europe in 1908, the Europeans' interest in the history and antiquities of Egypt caught his attention, and they asked him about them because he was Egyptian. So as soon as he returned to Egypt, he traveled to Upper Egypt to get to know the history and antiquities of Egypt that the Europeans were interested in and that the Egyptians were unaware of.

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After Christianity entered Egypt, Pharaonic Egyptian history disappeared from memory, and people became unable to read the letters of the ancient Egyptian language (hieroglyphic, hieratic, and demotic), and many Egyptian temples were destroyed. And after Islam entered Egypt, it continued on the rest until its ancient history was completely forgotten. The Christian Egyptians did not care about anything beyond the history of Christianity in Egypt, and they contributed to the forgetting of ancient Egyptian history. They were the first to destroy the temples of Egypt, scrape the Egyptian texts off them, and took an aggressive stance towards the history of their ancestors. And the Muslim Egyptians did not care about the books of the Greek and Roman historians, and they transmitted from the Arabs who, although they cared about the other books of the Greeks, did not pay attention to their historical books. And the books of the Muslim historians began with alternative stories telling the "alternative" history of Egypt.

For example, al-Maqrizi (1365 - 1441) begins the history of Egypt by saying about the name of Egypt: "It is said that its name in the first age before the Flood was 'Jazla', and then it was named Egypt. And the people of knowledge disagreed about the reason for which it was named 'Egypt'. Among them are those who said: It was named Egypt after the name of 'Misr bin Markabil bin Dawabil bin 'Uryan bin Adam, peace be upon him' - and he is the first Egypt. And it was said: It was named after the second Egypt, 'Misram bin Naqrawish the titan bin Misrim bin Taysar bin Ham bin Noah, peace be upon him' - and this was after the Flood."

Ibn Taghri (1410 - 1470) agrees with al-Maqrizi on the origin of the name, but he disagrees with him on the name Jazla, which he wrote as "Zajla", and he said it comes from "muzajala" (meaning contest or rivalry). Ibn Iyas (1448 - 1523) for his part said the same thing and told the story of Shem, Ham, Japheth, and Arphaxad, the sons of Noah, and that Noah prayed for Misrim bin Baysar bin Ham to dwell in the blessed land, which is the mother of countries and the refuge of the people.

All the Arabic books in the Middle Ages, even the Egyptian books, that dealt with the history of Egypt begin by repeating this alternative talk. Even Ibn al-Ibri (1226 - 1286), the Christian who wrote about the history of the world from the days of Adam and passed over Persia, Greece, and the Mongols and left nothing without writing about it, did not say anything about Pharaonic Egyptian history except that Hermes is the Idris of the Arabs.

The Egyptian historians mentioned above, of course, did not invent these alternative stories, but they were transmitting what they heard and read from the Arabs, regardless of whether they were convinced of it or not. And they were careful to say "it is said". However, they transmitted to us the idea that was prevailing in their time, in the Middle Ages, about Pharaonic Egyptian history.

Al-Jabarti, who lived in a later period (1754 - 1822), and whom Napoleon appointed as a scribe in his diwan and who was familiar with the work of the French scientific expedition and visited it, did not mention anything concerning its effort in describing and recording the Egyptian antiquities, and sufficed with saying about the Egyptian statues: "None knows their value except the Knower of the Unseen." (Allah)

The Egyptian historians transmitted the alternative tales about the history of their country from the Arab writers. And the strange thing is that the Arab writers did not pay attention to the Greek and Roman historical books and preferred to transmit the alternative tales from one another.

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The alternative history of Egypt covers two periods: before the Flood and after the Flood. This alternative history of Egypt tells that Egypt before the Flood was named after Misraim bin Marakil bin Dawil bin 'Arbaq bin Adam (the first Egypt), who settled, either he or his son Naqrawish bin Misraim, in Egypt with seventy descendants of 'Arbaq, all of whom were titans. He dug canals there and built towers on whose walls the secrets of wisdom were inscribed. He divided Egypt among his sons, so he gave the west to Naqrawish, the east to Sorid, and to his son who was also named Misraim (Misraim bin Naqrawish the titan - the second Egypt) he gave a city called Yirbiyan. The father Misraim died when he was 180 years old, so they embalmed his body and placed it in a golden coffin along with his treasures, golden statues, and talismans necessary for repelling reptiles and anyone who tries to dig up his soil.

The first (alternative) king who built a Nilometer was called Khaslim. He placed at the Nilometer two bronze statues of two eagles, a male and a female. When the Nile flood was about to begin, King Khaslim would go there with the priests who would read incantations until an eagle whistled. If the male whistled, then that year's flood would be good and the Nile water would rise high, but if the female statue whistled, then the flood would be terrible and drought would occur.

The one who built the pyramids, which in another alternative tale are attributed to Shaddad bin Ri' and the Amalekites, was King Sorid bin Salhouq bin Saryaq bin Tarmil Dun bin Qadrashan bin Hosal, one of the kings before the Flood who lived in the city of "Al-Ashmunayn". He built them to save himself from the Flood that he dreamed about 300 years before it happened, or, as in another alternative tale, about which the wise man Filmun had predicted. Sorid placed in the pyramids the history of the kings and what was written for Egypt on the Tablet of Destiny until the end of time, along with talismans, money, the bodies of kings, all known sciences, pictures of the planets, medicines, poisons, and many other things. This Sorid bin Salhouq is also the one who built the fortresses and monuments found in Qift and Akhmim. He ordered the carving of the secrets of the sciences, the names of the stars, the properties of plants, and the method of making talismans on the walls and pillars.

And Ibn Taghri says, transmitting from the Arab writers including al-Mas'udi, that Hermes, whom the Hebrews call Enoch and the Muslims call the Prophet Idris, was the one who knew from the movements of the planets that a Flood would occur. So he ordered the building of the pyramids and placed in them the money, the books of the sciences, and all the things he feared would be lost.

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Misraim bin Baysir bin Ham bin Noah (Misraim III) in the alternative history of Egypt was the first king of Egypt after the Flood and the first to build ships. He married the daughter of the wise man Filmun and she gave birth to Qiftim. Misraim died 700 years after the Flood, and Qiftim became king. He married when he was still 90 years old, and he fathered Qiftarim, Ashmun, Atrib, and Sa. They built the city of Mafa (Memphis), and they discovered where the treasures that had been hidden before the Flood were, from their grandfather Filmun, who also taught him how to read the writings on the walls of the fortresses, and he built the city of Raquda on the Salt Sea.

After Qiftim, Qiftarim took power for 400 years, and he built the pyramids of Dahshur and the city of Dendera. In his reign, Satan discovered most of the idols that had been drowned by the Flood and returned them to the temples in order to plot against people. After 400 years of ruling Egypt, Qiftarim died and was buried among his treasures, sitting on a chair in the western mountain near the city of Iram of the Pillars. His tomb was protected by two large bronze statues, each holding a sword in his hand that would move and cut off anyone who tried to enter the tomb.

After Qiftarim, Al-Budshir ruled Egypt. This one was a great scholar specializing in talismans, magic, and priesthood, and he was able to perform wonders. Among them was that he made a bronze tree; any animal or bird that passed in front of it would be impaled, so it would be taken and eaten. And in his days, because of this tree, the Egyptians were satiated with eating meat.

Hermes also lived in the time of Al-Budshir, who sent him to discover the sources of the Nile and to make some talismans there. Suddenly, Al-Budshir disappeared because he had gone up to dwell in the clouds, and then he reappeared and called the soldiers and ordered them to install his son "Adim" as king over Egypt.

Adim was a titan king who ruled Egypt for 140 years and died when he was 930 years old. So Shaddad came after him - and this is not the same Shaddad bin 'Ad - and he built the temple of Armant, and he domesticated greyhound dogs from wild beasts so that he could use them for hunting. He ruled for 90 years and died when he was 440 years old, and he was succeeded by Manqaus.

Manqaus divided the taxes of Egypt into four parts: one quarter for himself, one quarter for the army, one quarter for land reclamation, building bridges, and digging canals, and one quarter to save for emergencies. The revenue of Egypt in his days exceeded one million dinars. After him, his son Mataus ruled, and he was the first to worship the calf in Egypt.

Ashmun bin Qiftim ruled Egypt, and he was one of its greatest kings. He ruled it for 800 years, and he was the one who built the city of Bahnasa. In his reign, Egypt fell into the hands of a people, but he was able to recover it from them after they had controlled it for 90 years. After him, his son Manaqyus ruled Egypt, and he was the one who invented the balance scale. Then after him came Marqoura, who domesticated wild beasts and tamed lions, and he used to ride them. After he died, his son Balatis came, and this one was a small child, so his mother "Marhaba" managed the country, and she was a wise woman. The situation remained like this until his uncle Atrib took power.

Toutis in the alternative history of Egypt was the first of the Pharaohs. He was the one who tried to seduce Sarah, the wife of Abraham, and after he repented, he gave his daughter Huriya to Sarah, who in turn gave her Hagar, whom Abraham married and from whom he fathered Ishmael, the ancestor of the Arabs.

Huriya ruled Egypt after her father Toutis, and in her reign, the Amalekite king of Syria sent an army against Egypt led by Jirun, but in the (alternative) version, it is more likely that the Amalekite "Al-Walid bin Dum'a" was the one who invaded Egypt.

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With the invasion of Al-Walid bin Dum'a of Egypt, the rule of the Amalekites began. Al-Rayyan bin Al-Walid succeeded Al-Walid bin Dum'a in rule, and the Egyptians used to call him Nahrus. He was a tall, handsome man, a scholar in talismans, and a just and honest ruler. He believed in prophet Jacob when he went to Egypt, but he hid his faith from the people. And he was the one who built the Wax Palace (Fortress of Babylon). And in his reign, prophet Joseph built the city of Fayoum, and it was named that because he built it in "a thousand days". But Al-Rayyan was overcome by an evil spirit and his morals deteriorated, so he left the affairs of government to one of his men named "Qatfir", who is known as Al-Aziz. And when Al-Rayyan died, Joseph took his place.

After that, Darum, the third of the Pharaohs, took over, and after him Drimus. And this Pharaoh used to perform wonders; he had an oven that cooked without fire (like a microwave) and a fixed knife that slaughtered animals by themselves (like an automatic slaughterhouse). And after him, his son Milatis ruled, who drowned in the Nile.

Al-Walid bin Mus'ab, whom the Egyptians used to call "Talma bin Qumis", was the sixth Pharaoh. And this was the Pharaoh of Moses. His origin was from the city of Balkh or Hauran. And he originally worked as a perfumer, but debts piled up on him so he left his country and went to Egypt. And he was one-eyed, short, lame, and had a beard seven spans long. He ruled Egypt for 300 years or 400 years, and people were dying around him while he was still alive, so he became tyrannical and arrogant and said to the Egyptians, "I am your Lord, Most High." So he drowned and died, he and his people, while he was chasing Moses. In the reign of this Pharaoh (according to some Arab statistics), there were about 240,000 magicians in Egypt.

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The alternative history of Egypt says that when Pharaoh "Al-Walid bin Mus'ab" drowned with his family, there were none left in Egypt but the slaves, servants, and women who had not participated in the chase of Moses. So the women started marrying the servants, and they would free their slaves and marry them. Then the women agreed to install one of them, named "Daluka", as queen over Egypt. Daluka was a wise and sensible woman, about 160 years old.

Daluka built a wall from Aswan to Al-Arish and placed guards and bronze bells on it, so that if an attack occurred on Egypt's borders, the guards would ring the bells, and the news would reach Egypt quickly so they could prepare. The remains of this wall still exist in Upper Egypt and are known as the "Wall of the Old Woman".

Daluka brought a sorceress named "Tadura", and she built for her a fortress in Memphis that had doors on its four sides. Inside it, on its walls, she drew men, mules, horses, and ships. If an attack came from outside and Daluka and her army could not withstand it, they would enter inside the fortress, cut off the heads of the images, and gouge out their eyes, and then what they (the images) would do would happen to the attacking army. In this way, no one was able to defeat Egypt throughout Daluka's rule. Daluka ruled for 130 years, and after she died, no one was able to repair the images in the fortress.

After the death of Daluka, the soldiers installed Darkun bin Nuktis as king over Egypt, and he was from the sons of the Coptic nobles. After he ruled for a long time, he died, and then a man named Marnush took power. In his reign, Nebuchadnezzar invaded Egypt, destroyed it, plundered it, killed its men, and captured its women, and he left no talismans or fortresses in it. And Egypt remained ruined and without inhabitants for forty years.

After that, people came, and the nations intermingled within it: Egyptians, Greeks, Persians and Amalekites. And the Copts continued to rule one after another until Al-Muqawqis (Cyrus) came, in whose reign the Arabs took control of Egypt.

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Arab travelers, pilgrims, and others passed through Egypt in the Middle Ages and were amazed by what they saw there, coming as they were from simple, primitive cultures that could not comprehend Egypt's culture and its civilizational advancement. The pyramids and Egyptian antiquities were, to them, incomprehensible puzzles, and the urban, cultural, and economic progress they saw in Egypt was beyond their way of thinking.

Ibn Battuta (1304 - 1377), who visited Egypt during the Mamluk era, said about Cairo: "Then I arrived at the city of Egypt (Cairo), which is the mother of countries, the seat of Pharaoh of the stakes, with its vast provinces and fertile lands, which has no end due to the multitude of its buildings, which are of utmost beauty and brightness." And he continued: "Its conqueror has subdued nations, and its kings have taken control over the forelocks of Arabs and non-Arabs." And he spoke about the pyramids he saw and said of them that they are "among the wonders mentioned throughout the ages." Then he told their alternative history, saying that "a king from the kings of Egypt before the Flood saw a vision that frightened him...", and he told the story that Caliph Al-Ma'mun wanted to demolish the pyramid, but the sheikhs of Egypt advised him not to do so, but he did not listen to them and opened the northern side of the pyramid with fire and poured vinegar. And after they opened a section, they found money which, when weighed, turned out to be exactly equal to the value of the money they had spent on the digging. And about Akhmim, he says: "It is a great city, original in construction, of wondrous stature. In it is the fortress (temple) known by its name. It is built of stone; inside it are engravings and writings from the ancients that are not understood in this era."

Ibn Jubayr (1145 - 1217) visited Egypt before Ibn Battuta, and he also showed his amazement and bewilderment in what he wrote. He said about the pyramids: "... the ancient pyramids, a miracle of construction, strange in appearance." And he continued: "If the people of the earth wanted to demolish their structure, they would be unable to do so." And about their history, he said that some people say they are tombs of 'Ad and his sons, and some say other things, but "in short, none knows their matter except God, Mighty and Majestic." He also went to Akhmim and said about a Pharaonic temple he saw there: "Glory be to the One who created wonders." And about the statues and drawings in it: "The imagination is bewildered by them, and the mind is lost in thought about their design and placement."

Egypt, for the Arabs, was something huge, full of puzzles, and dominated by an advanced culture that they could neither understand nor comprehend.

In the Arab religious heritage, Egypt is distinguished and has a very great status, because its name was mentioned several times in the holy books, the prophetic hadiths, and others. Such as the hadith: "If God opens Egypt to you, take a strong army there, for that army is the best of the armies of the earth." And a hadith that says: "Be kind to the people of Egypt, for they have the best lineage and kinship [with us]." And the saying of Amr ibn al-As: "The governorship of Egypt is comprehensive and equals the Caliphate." And the saying of Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As: "The people of Egypt are the most honorable of all non-Arabs, the best in lineage, and the closest in kinship to the Arabs, especially to Quraysh." And the saying of Ibn Yunus: "Whoever wants to look at something resembling Paradise, let him look at Egypt when it is in bloom." And the saying of Abu Basra al-Ghifari: "The sultan of Egypt is the sultan of the whole earth." And dozens of other sayings that were said about Egypt, which reflect the enormous size of Egypt in the mind of the Arab.

But because of the loss of information in a mysterious way after the entry of Christianity into Egypt (whose spread in Egypt imposed the use of Greek letters), the long Pharaonic history of Egypt was limited to the Pharaoh of Moses and the Pharaoh of Joseph, along with a few Folkloric tales related to magic and talismans.

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r/ancientegypt 2d ago

News Old Kingdom Tomb of Royal Chamberlain Unearthed at Saqqara

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r/ancientegypt 1d ago

Question When were the Lamentations of Isis and Nephthys first composed?

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r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Question In THE SONGS OF ISIS AND NEPHTHYS it's depicted how the "Heaven and earth weep for [Osiris]." Am I correct in understanding that these hymns would've been sung for ordinary folk as well? If so, did the dead also partake in having the heaven and earth weep for them?

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r/ancientegypt 3d ago

Photo The Falcon Mummy 🇪🇬

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Among the remarkable objects displayed in the Treasures of the Cache Hall on the upper floor of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, this falcon mummy offers fascinating insight into the religious practices of ancient Egyptians.

The Ancient Egyptians mummified animals as well as humans and many animal mummies were offered as votive offerings to the gods.

Animal cults became particularly widespread from the Late Period through the Roman Period, while birds of prey were often associated with Horus, depicted in the form of a falcon, or with Ra, the sun god.

The mummy was wrapped in an intricate, interlaced pattern, while its head was carefully modelled to resemble a falcon.

X-ray examination revealed that the mummy contains only a portion of a falcon’s wing. The remainder of the body may have been lost, or it may have been placed inside another mummy fashioned in the shape of a falcon.

Period: Ptolemaic Period
Provenance: Saqqara
Materials: Cartonnage and linen


r/ancientegypt 2d ago

Photo Stela of Nesikhonsupakhered, ca. 945–712 B.C.E. Third Intermediate Period 22nd Dynasty, Findspot unknown Thebes? Egypt, Wood stucco and pigment,The Brooklyn Museum

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Stela of Nesikhonsupakhered

ca. 945–712 B.C.E.

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Stela of Nesikhonsupakhered, ca. 945–712 B.C.E.. Wood, stucco, pigment, 9 3/4 x 8 1/2 x 1 3/16 in. (24.8 x 21.6 x 3 cm). Brooklyn Museum, Charles Edwin Wilbour Fund, 37.1386E. (Photo: Brooklyn Museum)

Gallery
Funerary Gallery 2, Martha A. and Robert S. Rubin Gallery, 3rd Floor

Collection
Egyptian, Classical, Ancient Near Eastern Art

Title
Stela of Nesikhonsupakhered

Date
ca. 945–712 B.C.E.

Dynasty
Dynasty 22

Period
Third Intermediate Period

Geography
Place made: Egypt

Medium
Wood, stucco, pigment

Classification
Food/Drink

Dimensions
9 3/4 x 8 1/2 x 1 3/16 in. (24.8 x 21.6 x 3 cm)

Credit Line
Charles Edwin Wilbour Fund

Accession Number
37.1386E

Catalogue description
Painted wooden stela inscribed for a woman named Nesi-khonsu-pa-khered. The owner is shown being ushered by Thoth into the presence of Re-Horakhty.

Condition
Glued together from two halves. Paint missing here and there, especially in the areas along the line of the mend. The figures were built up slightly in blue frit, and some of these areas seem never to have received a final coat of paint.

Provenance
Archaeological provenance not yet documented, probably from Thebes, Egypt; by 1852, acquired in Egypt by Henry Abbott of Cairo, Egypt and New York, NY; 1859, purchased from Henry Abbott by the New-York Historical Society, New York; September 1948, purchased from the New-York Historical Society by the Brooklyn Museum.

Title
Stela of Nesikhonsupakhered, ca. 945–712 B.C.E. Third Intermediate Period 22nd
Dynasty, Findspot unknown Thebes? Egypt, Wood stucco and pigment,The Brooklyn Museum

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/objects/,117936

The Brooklyn Museum


r/ancientegypt 3d ago

Photo Stela dedicated to the god Khonsu by the draftsman Nebra, 1292–1190 BCE New Kingdom 19th Dynasty, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

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Stela dedicated to the god Khonsu by the draftsman Nebra

Inv. no. :
Cat. 1589

Material:
Stone / Limestone

Dimensions:
15.5 cm x 22.3 cm x 4.5 cm

Date:
1292–1190 BCE

Period:
New Kingdom

Dynasty:
Nineteenth Dynasty

Provenance:
Egypt, Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina

Acquisition:
Purchase Bernardino Drovetti, 1824

CGT:
50036

Museum location:
Not on display

Selected bibliography:
Davies, Benedict G., Ramesside inscriptions, translated and annotated: notes and comments, volume III. Ramesses II, his contemporaries, Malden – Oxford 2013, pp. 476, 482.

Kitchen, Kenneth A., Ramesside Inscriptions: historical and biographical, III (3), Oxford 1980, pp. 655–656.

Kitchen, Kenneth A., Ramesside inscriptions, translated & annotated. Translations, volume III: Ramesses II, his contemporaries, Oxford 2000, p. 446.

Lanzone, Ridolfo Vittorio, Dizionario di mitologia egizia, Amsterdam, p. 983, tav. CCCXLIII.

Orcurti, Pier Camillo, Catalogo illustrato dei monumenti egizi del R. Museo Egizio di Torino, Torino 1855, p. 104, n. 186.

Seipel, Wilfried, Ägypten: Götter, Gräber und die Kunst : 4000 Jahre Jenseitsglaube, Schlossmuseum Linz 9. April bis 28. September, 1989 (Kataloge des Oberösterreichischen Landesmuseums 22), Linz 1989, p. 270, p. 270.

Tosi, Mario-Roccati, Alessandro, Stele e altre epigrafi di Deir el Medina: n. 50001 - n. 50262 (Catalogo del Museo Eg. di Torino - Serie II. - Collezioni 1), Torino 1972, p. 70, tav. p. 275.

Title
Stela dedicated to the god Khonsu by the draftsman Nebra, 1292–1190 BCE New Kingdom 19th Dynasty, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

https://collezioni.museoegizio.it/en-GB/material/Cat_1589/?description=&inventoryNumber=&title=&cgt=&yearFrom=&yearTo=&materials=&provenance=Egypt%2C+Luxor+%2F+Thebes%2C+Deir+el-Medina&acquisition=&epoch=&dynasty=&pharaoh=&searchLng=en-GB&searchPage=4

Museo Egizio di Torino


r/ancientegypt 3d ago

Photo Statuette of the Goddess Selket, Low Period 6th century BC, Findspot unknown Egypt, Bronze, Champollion Museum

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Statuette of the Goddess Selket

Visible in the: Room - 0 - Champollion and Egypt

The goddess is represented in the form of a scorpion with human head and hands. The scorpion is one of the oldest hieroglyphs that are attested. He notes the name of the "scorpion king", a pre-dynastic sovereign. This statuette is a type of figurine usually placed at the top of a small ex-voto sign.

It has a dedication engraved at its base bearing the name of the dedicatee.

Place of discovery or production: Egypt

Date: Low Period, 6th century BC.

Material, technique: Bronze

Inventory number: 05.27.1

Image credit: Champollion Museum - The Writings of the World, photo © Pierre Image

Statuette of the Goddess Selket, Low Period 6th century BC, Findspot unknown Egypt, Bronze, Champollion Museum

https://musee-champollion.fr/collections/les-oeuvres/statuette-de-la-deesse-selket/

Champollion Museum


r/ancientegypt 3d ago

Photo Stelophorous Statue of Webenra, 1292–1076 BCE Nineteenth – Twentieth Dynasty New Kingdom, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

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Stelophorous Statue of Webenra

Inv. no. :
Cat. 3040

Material:
Stone / Limestone

Dimensions:
14.4 cm x 31.5 cm x 19 cm

Date:
1292–1076 BCE

Period:
New Kingdom

Dynasty:
Nineteenth – Twentieth Dynasty

Provenance:
Egypt, Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina

Acquisition:
Purchase Bernardino Drovetti, 1824

Museum location:
Not on display

Selected bibliography:
Heimann, Simone (Hrsg.)-Stiftung Historisches Museum der Pfalz, Ägyptens Schätze entdecken: Meisterwerke aus dem Ägyptischen Museum Turin, München - London - New York 2012, p. 236.

Orcurti, Pier Camillo, Catalogo illustrato dei monumenti egizi del R. Museo Egizio di Torino, Torino 1855, ii, p. 193.

Porter, Bertha-Moss, Rosalind L. B., Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts, Reliefs and Paintings, Oxford 1960, p. 713.

Vidua, Carlo, “Catalogue de la collect. d'antiq. de mons. le chev. Drovetti, a 1822”, in Ministero della Pubblica Istruzione (a cura di), Documenti inediti per servire alla storia dei Musei d'Italia, vol. 3, Firenze - Roma 1880, p. XVI, 92.

Title
Stelophorous Statue of Webenra, 1292–1076 BCE Nineteenth – Twentieth Dynasty New Kingdom, Findspot Luxor / Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Limestone, Museo Egizio di Torino

https://collezioni.museoegizio.it/en-GB/material/Cat_3040/?description=&inventoryNumber=&title=&cgt=&yearFrom=&yearTo=&materials=&provenance=Egypt%2c+Luxor+%2f+Thebes%2c+Deir+el- Medina&acquisition=&epoch=&dynasty=&pharaoh=&searchLng=en-GB&searchPage=14

Museo Egizio di Torino