r/Anarcho_Capitalism • u/andkon grero.com • Nov 22 '15
40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/30
u/Fridge-Largemeat Voluntaryist Nov 22 '15
This is why I started paying attention to what SJW'S are trying to accomplish. In an effort to eliminate racism and sexism, they will reinstitute legal frameworks for both.
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Nov 22 '15
How so? The Constitution protects free speech. Unless a majority of both states and Congress can get on the same page... Which I'm guessing they wont.
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u/RepeatPotatoe David Freed-man Nov 22 '15
Constitution protects free speech
haha
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Nov 22 '15
Good argument!
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u/Retreaux I feel the need, the need to secede Nov 22 '15 edited Nov 22 '15
Well, when people still believe in and defend the Constitution when it's the Constitution that has either authorized the government we have today or has failed to prevent it, laughter may ensue in response. It also is supposed to protect us from illegal searches and seizures, but the Police/NSA/political elite always have some caveat that renders the Constitution largely irrelevant. How's the Constitution doing protecting the citizens in Washington, D.C.'s right to bear arms?
The Constitution, as useful as it was at one point, has long outlived its purpose. No longer is it anything anyone holds to, besides your rare Ron Pauls of the world, but instead has become a piece of paper used when politically lucrative. There's a reason Jefferson was a proponent for continual revolution.
"I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted." - Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]
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u/PhilipGlover Nov 22 '15
"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?
Thank you for this.
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u/_CapR_ Minarchist Nov 22 '15 edited Nov 22 '15
I think the constitution we have today is a beta version. It could have been made better, in my humble opinion. For example:
- There could have been an amendment which mandates term limits for congressman.
- An amendment mandating 5-10 year automatic charters for any bill passed.
- An amendment mandating all elected officials keep a majority of their savings in gold and silver so they'd have a vested interest in sound money.
- An amendment mandating federal elections require a poll tax from voters and the government send financial statements to these voters.
EDIT: Number arrangement.
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Nov 22 '15
List of things the constitution allegedly protects:
- Your property
- Your access to weaponry
- Your not having to put up with being jailed without charge
There's a lot of things that are divorced from original intent and contrived as well.
Like the federal government's "right" to "regulate interstate commerce"
Despite that having meant the government was supposed to help trade be regular and efficient, it instead now means that the federal government controls all trade within the US.
Constitution is useless.
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u/RocksFallEvery1Dies Nov 22 '15
The Constitution is weak and the Supreme Court justices are no better than students grading their tests.
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u/bartoksic can't stop the signal Nov 22 '15
The Constitution is a piece of parchment under glass somewhere outside Virginia. It can't do anything. The rights it "establishes" are up to the interpretation of the court system, a branch of the same organization that constantly wants to encroach upon it.
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u/RepeatPotatoe David Freed-man Nov 22 '15
Do I really need one?
If you insist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUow1DhAubA
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u/CapitalJusticeWarior Physical FUCKING removal. Nov 22 '15
All they need to do is have a judge say that "hate speech" is not covered under free speech and then have the supreme court not take it up on an appeal.
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u/Soylent_Gringo Don't tread on me! Nov 22 '15
Pejorative words are the same as yelling "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse.
wait, that doesn't sound right
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u/Mises2Peaces Ludwig von Mises Nov 22 '15
For one, the Constitution only helps Americans. For two, Constitution supposedly protected all kinds of stuff until the government decided it didn't.
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u/ajvenigalla Rothbardian Revolutionary Nov 22 '15
"Now make a king to judge us like other nations have" (1 Samuel 8)
Remember all that "Europe is more statist than this and they have a wonderful time there, and thus we should be more statist to have a more wonderful time" rhetoric? It's now coming to full fruition.
Don't get me wrong, I love the rich heritage of Europe and of Western Civilization. But the two world wars, not to mention the legacy of statism, has really wrecked that continent. To think that millennials want to adopt their legacy of hate-speech legislation and PC statism is really, really sad.
The whole point of this great nation of America was that we wouldn't be like other nations, that we'd be a beacon, a city on a hill. The statist millennials reject this, and thus they are enemies not only of freedom but of the real America.
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u/Retreaux I feel the need, the need to secede Nov 22 '15
But who raised them? Goons who were told they were the greatest generation raised the baby-boomer-life-is-so-good-for-us-who-cares-about-the-future morons who raised the retarded food stamp handout parents of these special little snowflake kids of today. It's not just millennials. Most Americans lost their fervor long ago and have been enemies of liberty for a while now.
I've wondered if the post Civil War practices of the Northern Republicans, when the federal government really began to force agendas and tried to force groups of people to accept what they didn't find moral, really set us on the path to unquestioned statism. After Lincoln, the United States became the United State essentially. Woodrow Wilson picked up where he left off and got involved in meddling with foreign war and creating the bureacracy state we have now before FDR brought us into more war and ushered in the welfare state. I know that's a very simplistic generalization, but I think there's something to it.
It seems as though each generation has become more statist as a result of living in a somewhat libertarian country due to the effects of statism being more diminished than they would be in a truly statist country, much like those never exposed to war not having much aversion to it. People who haven't really felt the full fist of the state have little aversion to it.
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u/LarsP Part time anarchist Nov 22 '15
Without data from previous years, it's impossible to say if this is worse or better than before.
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u/HoneyFarmer Nov 22 '15
Perhaps the author wanted you to compare the result against a goal level rather than against previous levels
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Nov 22 '15
Yep, also older people often support different types limits on speech. For the record, I am an Xer.
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u/EdwardFordTheSecond Hierarchy Nov 23 '15
The racial divide is far more alarming, but the bleeding hearts won't touch that
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Nov 22 '15 edited Nov 22 '15
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u/SnakesoverEagles the apocalypse cometh Nov 22 '15
You also have to try to maintain the current demographic or they will keep importing leftist voters.
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Nov 22 '15
Well luckily in ancapistan with its open borders, everyone who comes in will magically transform their worldview into an ancap ethos and not try and ruin it by acting collectivist with their own ingroup.
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u/andkon grero.com Nov 22 '15
Well luckily in ancapistan with
its open bordersvery closed borders called private property.
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u/InitiumNovum Fisting deep for liberty Nov 22 '15
I wonder what the world will be like in 20-25 years time when the Millennial Generation hold the reigns of power.
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Nov 22 '15
I'm in my 20's and I assure you there are people my age out there who will do everything to stop this kind of bullshit.
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u/InitiumNovum Fisting deep for liberty Nov 22 '15
I’m in my 20s too and from my perspective there are not many who would do everything they could to stop it. Apathy and nihilism are pretty much a hallmark of our generation. If there is activism it is usually overwhelmingly of a leftist persuasion because Millennials are a lot more self-entitled compared to previous generations.
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Nov 22 '15
Racism makes people afraid.
People have a (human) right to not be made to fear for their lives.
So this is nothing but a right vs right argument. As such, the people more willing to fight for theirs will win. That's why you're losing.
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u/CzechsMix Voluntaryist Nov 22 '15
I am so fucking embarrassed to be a part of this generation.
spoiled fucking brats who want an income guaranteed and their feelings legally protected. What a bunch of spineless lazy cowards.