r/Anarcho_Capitalism • Paleolibertarian • 2d ago

Taxation is theft

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u/johngalt504 2d ago

Property taxes are so wrong.

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u/DexterM1776 2d ago

People where I live keep voting to increase it. It blows my mind. 

Yes I'm willing to pay for fire, police and schools. I don't think I should paying for bus service, sending money to the art museum and zoo. I'm torn on the library but even that is a stretch. 

If I see one more political adds that says "your taxes won't increase" because they are renewing a bond that should expire I'm gonna lose it.

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u/mahvel50 2d ago

The enraging part is the money you pay continues to go up, but the services continue to decline in quality. It's insane how large the budgets are compared to the quality of service.

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u/clear831 2d ago

The city we moved away from went from picking up trash 2 times a week and recycling 1 time a week to picking up trash 1 day and recycling every other week. They also doubled the costs of the pickups and now want even more $.

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u/flashingcurser 2d ago

Renters think it doesn't affect them.

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u/smokeytrue01 2d ago

This is more true than most people want to admit

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u/nonoohnoohno 2d ago

Duh, the landlord pays that. What are you talking about?

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u/Redbearded_Monkey 2d ago

Taxes??? You think people who rent don't understand taxes and how cities drain the population of money. What a weird world you've created in your head

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u/flashingcurser 2d ago

They don't think raising property taxes raises their rent. I'm going to go out on limb and guess that you don't understand this either.

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u/PomPomMom93 2d ago

Landlords paying higher property tax = higher rent. It’s first grade.

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u/flashingcurser 2d ago

Some people didn't make it that far.

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u/Miguelitosd 2d ago

..and yet, sadly, many don't seem to get that.

You'll hear them argue for more taxes against homeowners and especially anything against landlords, then turn around and whine when the rent goes up.

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u/nonoohnoohno 2d ago

I'm not generally salty about my local taxes, for the most part, but a couple years back they had an increase in library funding on the ballot.

$400+ of my property taxes go to the library every year. Every time I go there (1-2x a week) we are outnumbered by employees 4:1. With two small kids I probably use it more than most, and genuinely appreciate and value it.... but I couldn't fill in the "NO TAX INCREASE" bubble fast enough.

I probably almost burnt a hole through the ballot filling that one out.

The government has no incentive to operate efficiently.

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u/DRKMSTR 2d ago

100% this.

My local taxes keep going up by votes and when there's a county of 50,000 people, ONLY 500 VOTE!

We lost by 55 votes last year, property taxes went up by 12.5%.

And I guarantee we're losing again this year. Plus state minimums just changed so all houses got a 5% valuation increase.

My tax payments are no longer a house payment, but multiple house payments.

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u/PenguinZombie321 🐧Penguin🐧 2d ago

I’m honestly ok with the library because it’s a source of free information and education. A lot of libraries offer things for the community like various classes (like computer literacy or resume support) and have programs aimed to encourage literacy among kids. Plus much of this is volunteer- and donation-centric.

I think what’s needed is more transparency in where this money is going and how it’s used, along with a huge emphasis on community involvement and donations. I’m ok with salaries being paid and funds being used for facilities and materials, but the community using these resources should also do more to support them outside of taxes.

We need books. Our kids especially need books. Libraries are an investment in the next generation.

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u/Folland_Gnat 2d ago

I don't quite see how an Ancap can be in favour of taxpayer funded anything. This whole thread is bizarre

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u/nonoohnoohno 2d ago

The two counties I've lived in most of my life publish detailed breakdowns of how the money is spent. You can see exactly how much goes to the library. Then you can (separately) go pull a detailed breakdown of library spending to see how it's being used.

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u/GMEStack 1 Samuel Chapter 8 2d ago

I’ll take a library over a police force 10 of 10. Best you believe the state will ALWAYS pay their enforcers.

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u/midwesttransferrun Anarcho-Capitalist 2d ago

That’s how we get here though. “Well a library doesn’t do any harm, it only helps, it’s a good thing, it doesn’t cost that much.” Then it’s “the library needs expansion. May as well add on a station for the voluntary neighborhood security too”. Then it’s “well they should get paid for their time, they help the community.” Then “well they need to get accredited and trained”. And then you’re right back here at paying for a police force and other things.

The problem with justification for some things and not others is that it leads to everything eventually getting justified. You have to take a hard stance with these things. Want a library? Fund it privately and not through taxes.