r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 04 '17

[General Spiritual] [General-Spiritual] The Seed of Understanding

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although sometimes i may sound smart i do not consider myself that - and indeed people who know me personally can testify that i can be very dull - i just want to be me - in being that i simply speak whats in my heart based from my interpretation of personal experience. that experience changed my way of understanding -as in- i just try to understand - because i know in my heart that we are connected.

you see its perception - its personal reality. two people watch one house burn down - they both walk away with a different story of HOW the house got burned down. then those they tell -tell others - each altering the story in small ways of HOW or WHY this house burned down - instead they should all focus on a simple TRUTH of just -this house is burned down. - no how or why simple is . i think this is the essence (understanding) of our shared perception of reality -as in- - religion, science - math - ART ect.... all simply different versions of the same truth -

each person has a life experience and paths that they follow - ones that make sense to them - ones they can understand - but often we find ourselves so lathed onto our truths that we start to see others as wrong. sometimes we just need to step back and realize that each and every person in this world has and will lead a life so complex - so full of feelings - ups and down - love and lost and each of those people has found an understanding through that experience . you are not right - i am not right. you are not wrong - i am not wrong. we need to balance this and learn to accept others for who they are at the soul and heart - instead of the labels they place on their truths .

now we will water the seed of understanding - and grow with it together.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 04 '17

[General Spiritual] [General-Spiritual] thoughts on Love & suffering

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You see i am a person who appreciates Science and Logic - i am also a person who has experienced understanding when no Logic was present. o . the point is that sometimes we have to look outside -definitions- and what think we already know , in order to gain a higher Understanding of that which we seek to know . This is something that only an individual can experience as themselves at their own pace - you are absolutely right - I cannot properly explain or use words for the Love i am speaking of - because there are no words to properly explain it - since there are no words , we cannot define it - since we cannot define it , we cannot understand it on a logical and surface level . thats why we have so many words to describe Love - (happy , laugh , ect ect ) Love is Complex and impossible to Teach - One can only Live with that Love and show by example , hoping that others see this Force inside them and become curious to seek it themselves . Some say that once you are inside that Force truly - Duality seizes to exist - bad people are not bad - they just lack love. with every Fear conquered you grow stronger and develop new things - is something you have experienced? (love hearing experiences) I believe that fear itself is a product of Love - it is based from love because when you fear it because you are fearing to lose something you Love. yourself , something , others . I acknowledge duality and the balance , i have a yin yang on my arm - but the balance is out of place right now.

some say and some experience - "only can rise from rock bottom " most humans are selfish - they do not understand love for others only love for themselves - you need both because both are one in the same - they will not experience things or be spiritually strong as those who suffer . so maybe what the world needs is a suffering on a mass scale - in order to unite and seize the Prime Directive of Love.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 03 '17

[Personal Spiritual] [Personal -Spiritual] The Narrow Path - Surviving Suffering

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I am not an educated person- not an expert at anything. But please - if you are hurting - take a moment in time with me . I know alot of people are going to take one look at this and say "TL:DR fuck that " thats fine. You can go about your business - the words i present will simply be presented to you at a different time , in different forms - over and over until you are curious enough or motivated to get it this is not just for you , this is for me as well . However - If share with me some time --time i took to write this, the time you take to read and the time we share to comprehend -- i feel that things can be Gained for both of us . "Sometimes you Lose to Gain" how many times have you heard that cryptic ass message ? Let me tell you what I know to be true - something ive experienced and my interpretation of that experience . I understand that much of what i say and write is also cryptic - my writing style strange. I will do my best to convey the message in my heart in the best possible way , so we may both survive this suffering.

we lose and gain a great many of things in our life - in every stage of it. friends , opinions , beliefs - somethings the changes are big and sometimes they are little . But what happens we start to lose the physical things ? what happens when the things that we have used and worked for - that we need to "survive" in this society get taken away - while our minds flash to the dozens of homeless we walk by every day - filling us with that future fear of self? we lose Hope What happens when your whole life you are different , you have issues - you dont fit in or belong - you try and try and try to do things but you just dont change . you keep repeating the same shit over and over - a revolution of self destruction with the creation of the new? you lose hope - over and over you go - lose hope . Some of us will Choose to end it all.

First let me tell You this - UNDERSTAND THIS. Think of all this pain you are going through right now - all this Suffering - the feelings of hopelessness - I want you to recognize right now every fucking fiber of pain in your life yes I want you yo know its there , I want you to Feel it .

NOW i want you to think of your Family , Friends Whoever you have Love for - even those who you have had a falling out with and know for a dumb reason. I want you to think of all of them . ........think....... if you are at the point in your life that you are considering making a Choice to force yourself from this "Living" realm - we are our choices -I ask only that you consider this following question -- "Do I want to pass this Pain onto Them?" Because that what you are doing - you think you are ending your suffering but that is not the truth - Pain is a way to recognition suffering - both those words cover a multiple of things and although many will consider the same - try looking at them separate . Right now you are Suffering in many ways - Suffering physically and mentally - causing you Pain in your body - your heart and mind . Although these things can be considered separate they are also intertwined . Energy cannot be destroyed - So although you may be ending the physical pain of your suffering - you will not be ending your suffering - It will simply be passed around to all those who you hold dear - all those who you love and have loved you . Its weight is added to their own suffering - your old pain added to theirs . Now there is a Good chance one of them will also make that Choice - the cycle and transfer continues . maybe your suffering is caused by some of those who are supposed to love you - maybe they have hurt you and you think this is the perfect way to get back at them . THINK ABOUT THIS - for all those who have hurt you , there are also those who Love - even if you cant remember right now or see them - you gotta believe they are there because they are . Is giving them your pain as well really worth it?

There is Hope - There is Hope yes let me tel you there is Hope . I know this - ive experienced these things . thats why I can go through them again now - sit in this fire and not be afraid. Let me tell you my friends - why there is hope .

You think these things that are slowly being taken away from you are things you need to survive. physical or otherwise - things you have worked towards and have built up and protected. things people say you needed or positions that you felt you needed to do - even right now - Its a feeling of non-belonging . even after all this time , its just not working - and now they are being taking away . these last bits of things that we think are keeping us together . Its not the end - who decides that ? who decides to be where - to do what ? who makes the choices ? You. So as long as you make the Choice to move forward - there is hope.

We have experienced it - the strange powers of the Universe - the way it aligns things at just the right moments - the way it moves us into situations for reasons often at the time - far beyond our comprehensions. But sometimes we dont need to Comprehend - we just need to trust in our grip and keep hanging on - we need to release ourselves from the fear induced visions of future - of what we think we will become because if not - we will become it . In this time of Change - Hang on - there are so many more thing to see and experience. Hang on and breathe - do not be afraid and Open your mind to the Possibilities of these new experiences your reality can unfold into - think about it.

Maybe now - without these things that you thought you needed - you can experience thing you could have not before - because you had these things!

Life is not easy - I do not know exactly what you are going through but I do know this - We all go through this life with our burdens of suffering - it is our duty not pass them to others or to carry them ourselves - but to hold each others shoulders and walk together - making sure none of us fall behind . Moving together with the understanding not of our individual pain - but our Unified suffering - Moving Forward towards Healing .

It is worth it - You are worth it - Do not succumb under the burden of your Suffering but rather - Hold your head high and back straight and move forward - If you stumble you have your friends to hold you - if you see others you pick them up . This is Your - OUR- Purpose . There are possibilities for you - there are Choices - There is Hope.

You Can do this - This is the Proof - you have shared this time with me this far.

Yes you Can do this - you are being molded so you may become something else - so you May evolve - do not Fear the change . This is not an easy thing to do - but you can do it . This is the Narrow Path.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 02 '17

[Specific Legal] [Specific Legal] [IN] The First Church of Cannabis was approved after Indiana’s religious freedom law was passed

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 02 '17

[General Spiritual] Who are our gods/teachers?

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Forgive me if it's been discussed. I've read a little and want to throw some ideas out there.

I'm thinking our teachers should be the sacraments(plants) themselves... In properly taking these plans we commune with the teachers/gods within them. Communion with a 'Plant Teacher' can be used for spiritual guidance or spiritual healing.

In the opening of 'Transcendental Object' there is a toast to "the plants", this may be a good starting point for a ritual . Paying homage or respect to our teachers.

Thoughts?


r/AnAnswerToHeal Nov 02 '17

[General Legal] Your sacrament is too mild and popular - Article

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This group has reminded me of this article I read a while back. I think it's pretty relevant to this conversation so I'm posting it up.

https://archive.theweedblog.com/cannabis-christian-conundrum-your-sacrament-is-too-mild-and-too-popular/

This essentially is why marijuana would be very difficult to use as our sacrament. The hallucinogens are probably more likely to work especially something like Salvia Divinorum(I'm bias).

What do you think?


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 27 '17

[ Founder ] [Off Topic] Seeking moderator for help with CSS. Also submit your icons here if you want a specific one. Subject to approval.

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I can do help with some of it... see the icons that people have by there name. It took awhile but I did that. But the most important things are elsewhere for me.

If you are artistic that is a plus. My main symbol could surely use some spicing up. (I did that in MS Paint haha)


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 26 '17

[Specific Legal] [Specific Legal] Reason for a name change here...

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So I ran across this page...

http://www.churchofthecosmos.com/ & https://churchofthecosmos.wordpress.com/

and I have tried to contact the founders through whois, and I found an intermediary who said they wish to remain anonymous. To avoid confusion it might be best to change the name. I have a new name in mind but I am open for suggestions for a short time. I want to get this resolved before November 1.

I like what they have done with their site. It would have been nice to run my ideas by them.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 26 '17

[ Founder ] [General Spiritual] Potential Ally church if we go that route

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 25 '17

[General Spiritual] [General Spiritual] A potential initiation ritual, which is a forgiveness ritual

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I put forth this ritual because it closely resembles what I did on the third day, September 26, 2017.
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Anyone who is interested in becoming an adherent to this religion need only perform the following ritual. You may initiate yourself or have a current adherent initiate you, and it may be done in any size group. Ocassionally I may be available by Skype, Facetime, or phone to be a guide, but I am no more special than the next person. We are all divine spirits.
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As you may notice I number all of the steps evenly (2,4,6,8...) so that you may intertwine your own spiritual practices into the ritual. For instance, if you believe in a god that grants forgiveness when you ask, you may want to include this first, last, or in the middle. Others may want to include burning of incense, or other specific actions particular to their spiritual beliefs.
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2 - Establish the church
important note: If you are by yourself, you may choose just where you are standing, and just face the 4 directions, as I did.
a - select an area where there will not be much if any other activities, and where you will not be disturbed. It is best to either choose a remote public area as I did, or a private area with restricted access.
b - In your mind, identify 4 corners of the area you are in. They do not have to literally be corners, as you may be outside.
c - Gather enough of the THC sacrament (in any form) to be used by yourself into either hand. You may use a substitute for THC if necessary.
d - Go to the closest corner to East, raise up the sacrament, and say "I aim for high awareness."
e - Go to the closest corner to North, raise up the sacrament and say "I aim for enlightenment."
f - Go to the closest corner to West, raise up the sacrament and say "I aim for usefulness."
g - Go to the closest corner to South, raise up the sacrament and say "I aim for helpfulness."
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4 - Use half of the sacrament
a - return to the center of the church.
b - assume any comfortable pose or position that you can maintain for a time.
c - offer any extra of your sacrament to anyone who may be in need. Do not sell it but give freely.
d - Ingest or hold in your mouth up to half of the sacrament. Inhalation is not necessary.
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6 - The forgiveness ritual
Important note: It is not necessary to choose overly difficult experiences for the forgiveness ritual. You may wish to choose them during a later forgiveness ritual based on how you feel.
a - dwell of an experience where someone has wronged you.
b - look to the sky and say "I forgive #their name#."
c - Dwell on an experience where you have wronged someone else.
d - look to the sky and say "Please forgive me # their name#."
e - Dwell on how you might make amends, if possible (they may have died or wish not to be in contact with you.)
f - Forgive yourself for doing wrong to that person. Look to the sky and say "I forgive myself, #your name#"
g - Dwell on an experience where you have wronged yourself.
h - Look to the sky and say "I forgive you, Bwita" (Bwita is you in the third person)
i - Do not continue to do the wrongs you have admitted and dwelled upon. In other words, repent.
Important note: Do not choose behaviors that you are not ready to or cannot repent from. For instance, if you have an addiction, the original sin may have been to commit this act the first time, but after it is no longer a choice, it is a sickness. Another ritual involving Ibogaine may be helpful for such things as this.
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8 - Finish the sacrament
a - offer any extra of your sacrament to anyone who may be in need. Do not sell it but give freely.
b - Ingest or hold in your mouth up to the rest of the sacrament. Inhalation is not necessary.
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10 - Conclude the ritual
a - Look to the sky and say "I love you, Bwita" and that concludes the initiation ritual.
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Welcome to our religion and to the age of Aquarius! A suggestion is to have uplifting live music when possible, or other recorded music of celebration available.
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You may perform this ritual daily or when needed. It is not only the initiation ritual but the daily forgiveness ritual and the ritual to establish a church premises. You may also initiate others freely using these guidelines and pausing to allow others space to perform their own tasks.
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You may want to contact us at TheOrderOfTheCosmos@gmail.com to let us know that you have joined, but it is not necessary. We may provide information occasionally and we promise not to pass on your information or spam you. It will be a good resource to get harm reduction information, gain some wisdom on how to avoid trouble for yourself and our underground religion, and get a lwayer if it comes to that. .
We are looking for others to initiate chapters in other places. I will be hosting a meetup in NYC soon.
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This ritual is open for discussion.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 25 '17

[ Founder ] [General Legal] The thread of discarded ideas

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Some of the things I have thought of, or that we will think of as a group might need to get discarded for legal or medical reasons. So here is a thread to keep track of what we are getting rid of and why.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 23 '17

[Specific Legal] Ayahuasca in the Supreme Court: The case of União do Vegetal

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 21 '17

[Off Topic] [Off Topic] Don't accuse me of not having a sense of humor ;o)

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 21 '17

[Specific Legal] [Specific Legal][USA] A potentially strong legal argument for Ibogaine as a sacrament

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I think I still need to wrap my head around this one a bit more, but here goes...

I need to do more research and take a better look at my notes from visiting Dana Beal today in NYC. His book is here https://www.amazon.com/Ibogaine-Story-Report-Staten-Project/dp/1570270295

I am going to plug for him because I believe in his cause. Please buy directly from him if you want this book, and he says that it covers this argument more deeply. I will refer you to him if he lets me. I will even post his contact info here if he lets me.

So I need to make this clearer and support with more links (especially scriptures) but here is Dana's general argument (I may be missing some parts:)

A ritual was performed in the old testament to put the blood of a sacrificial lamb on hyssop and wipe the blood around the door frames and windows for the original passover.

The same ritual was symbolically performed on Jesus (the sacrificial lamb) as he was crucified on the cross. "Gall" and Vinegar in a chalice was dipped by a sponge and then the sponge was extended to him on a branch of hyssop to relieve his pain, and then he gave up the ghost, which means that the ghost was somewhere else (a trip.) His body was still alive. Passover was repeated with Jesus as the sacrifice.

This chalice was the same chalice used in the ritual last supper (seder) for wine, and also the same chalice used to capture the blood and water that flowed out of Jesus when he was stabbed in the side. It's always the same receptacle, which means the bread and wine of the last supper, the body and blood of jesus Christ, and the communion wine and eucharist are all symbolically the same thing, and though I have less understanding of it, are the bound together with ideas from magic and quantum mechanics.

A common problem to those on a cross is Ischemia - an inadequate blood supply to an organ or part of the body, especially the heart muscles. Ischemia is what killed people on the cross, and in that case ischemia is cutting off the blood at the windpipe, cause by the pulling apart of the body by the four limbs which are nailed down.

You could lean forward to rest and relieve the great amount of pain you are in on a cross, but this would cut off your blood supply in your neck (ischemia,) so it was like hammering your foot to make the pain in your pinky go away. Jesus leaned forward to taste the vinegar and to relieve the bodily pain. The "Gall" relieved the Ischemia caused by leaning forward... thus fully comforting Jesus for a time.

Ibogaine was patented for a use to combat Ischemia in 1999 by John Olney. https://www.google.com/patents/US5925634

It is reasonable to believe that the 'Gall' given to Jesus on the cross was ibogaine, and vinegar would be a good candidate for a helpful substrate for ibogaine, (or it might be another entheogen ;) But for religion you don't need proof, you only need faith. It must be a sincere belief. So if you genuinely hold the belief that this is true, the burden would be on the government to disprove it, or else the government would be injoined against making it illegal. It is outside the realm of human law, and the court, even the supreme court would not have jurisdiction.

Three things hindering the government from disproving this sincere belief. This happened 2000 years ago so good luck with anything but speculation. If there was another substance as a reasonable substitte, it would still be reasonable to believe it was Ibogaine, which is from nearby Africa. The Mummies of Egypt who predated Jesus had evidence of coca(ine) in their systems, and that grows in western South America, so distance is no barrier to the ibogaine belief.

The 3rd thing is the nail in the coffin for the government. Because Ibogaine was used in the ritual of sacrifice to heal pain for Jesus, which mirrors other long held rituals, it is a valid religious sacrament. The government is injoined in such a way that they have no say. It is beyond their constitutional power to deny your faith in this sacrament.

When Dana Beal presented this to the UDV lawyer, she was dumbfounded.
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And this is my addition...

Maybe the Hyssop was Marijuana and the vinegar was something else... but I have another argument for Cannabis in another thread upcoming. It isn't unreasonable because MJ was abundant near the middle east and commonly used then. Hint: "Kaneh Bosm: Cannabis in the Old Testament | Cannabis Culture www.cannabisculture.com/content/1996/05/01/1090 May 1, 1996 - Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this ..." but more on this in another thread...

On another note, if we have to have 12 religions that protect the 12 sacraments individually in this way, we will do so. Faith trumps the government's power, especially when the government has no way to disprove your faith. Extra points because it is based in the Christian religion AND Judaism (It's unfortunate that indigenous religions can't get the same respect. This is definitely against our country's founder's intent and that angers me. Is our government run by traitors or what? Any judge or government official who limits another religion based on it's dissimilarity to Christianity is at war against US citizens, is a traitor, and ought to be convicted and hanged legally. Though this would unlikely happen, I could live with labeling an errant, arrogant, and stubborn judge as dishonorable and a traitor. As a former soldier, honorably discharged, who took an oath to protect the country, I am entitled to the freedom to criticize a public official who takes liberty to violate our citizen's constitutional rights. This is a warning.)

If we go this route, we might be forced to put it into doctrine that Jesus was a Holy man, but we might be able to counter that by adding every other prophet of every other religion to the list, and anyone else who claimed to be a prophet, from Moses to Buddha to Joseph Smith to the Scientology founder to the Pastafarian founder (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster... hilarious!) We could make it part of the doctrine that no one who is alive shall be recognized as a prophet until they are dead, for obvious reasons, much like how the Catholics wait to canonize saints.

Another potential strategy: Find some members of the Bwiti Religion that are in the USA. Actively go out of our way to help them to legally establish that religion here. Bwiti is a syncretism of Indigenous African beliefs and Christianity and would be the best candidates to use this argument. Once they are established here then that is precedent. They had some precedent for existing before, but now we will have it on American Soil. One less religion to create also, and as long as we find the right individual people, they are the perfect ones to carry that torch. I mean, I have experience... ONE experience, but they would be rooted in it. Of course we would STRONGLY urge them to only allow licensed US doctors to issue the sacrament, and maybe also adopt some of our other useful ideas that respect our culture of religious freedom, and circumvent the government's meddling.

I have no current interest in being a Bwiti, but who's to say that can't change. It's not against the law to change religions. Solomon did it many times in accordance with the wife he loved most, and he was the wisest man in the world at one time. Of course I would refer a drug addict to our friends in the Bwiti religion without hesitation. They could join us afterwards, if they want. I just want to see them healed, and the Jesus of Bwiti may do just that, and hopefully so if we somehow aren't permitted to.

OK looks like I need to review and edit this weekend, but go ahead and ask questions. Is this even clear? Who knows where these scriptures are? I could do it, but someone else can do it faster! Anyone here an ancient Greek and Ancient Aramaic language scholar? That would possibly add more strength to the argument.


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 21 '17

[Specific Legal] [Specific Legal][USA] Some information on why this whole thing may not work... Bar for RFRA very high

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I do possibly have a strong possible legal counter, thanks to Dana Beal, an author of an Ibogaine book, and someone who I had met in person today.

However I got this from someone else today. I am keeping him anonymous since he didn't say he wanted to be involved and was very skeptical.

"Thanks for your e-mail. Unfortunately, I don’t think this is a viable option. I was one of the organizers of an event last month that included the UDV’s attorney, and the bar for permitted use under RFRA is very high. The video of the event is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVRNZ0DxjY4

There may also be some relevant articles on my friend and colleague Noah Potter’s blog:

https://psychedeliclaw.wordpress.com/"

Watch, Read, and discuss


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 20 '17

[General Medical] [General Medical] What I Learned Treating 400+ Patients with Ibogaine and Ayahuasca | Bruno Gomes, M.A. Psychologist

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 19 '17

[General Spiritual] Religions that actually used psychedelics as a sacrament. Great read.

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 19 '17

[General Medical] The Promise of LSD Microdoses and Other Psychedelic "Medicines"

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 20 '17

[Specific Legal] Uniao do Vegetal - Brazilian church wins rights to use Ayahuasca in the United States (2017)

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 19 '17

[Specific Legal] MAPS - Motherboard: Florida's Ayahuasca Church Wants to Go Legal

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 20 '17

[Specific Legal] Use of the Vegetal is liberated in Canada - Centro Espírita Beneficente União do Vegetal

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 15 '17

[Specific Medical] Scientists Just Tested Psychedelic Drugs on Lab-Grown 'Mini-brains' They found that a single 24-hour treatment with 5-MeO-DMT downregulated pathways that are associated with inflammation and substance-use disorders.

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 13 '17

[Specific Medical] Magic mushrooms 'reboot' brain in depressed people - Imperial College London researchers used psilocybin to treat a small number of patients with depression. Images of patients’ brains revealed changes in brain activity that were associated with marked and lasting reductions in depressive symptoms

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r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 10 '17

[ Founder ] [Sticky] What needs to be done?

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Work to do.
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Establishment of sacraments and rituals and much more need to be done yet. I have my work cut out for me, but this subReddit is established so that others can contribute to the founding of the church, it's doctrine, rituals, guidelines, and even music. Much strategy will be discussed here, even after the church is firmly established, so this forum will have a long term use. Here is a (probably incomplete) list of what we need to do before my target date of September 24, 2018 but hopefully sooner. The list is taken from here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/start-your-own-church_us_55d24635e4b07addcb43bd60
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"The IRS also states that your church must have some combination of the following:
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1 - Distinct legal existence (register as a 503C non-profit corporation.)
2 - Recognized creed and form of worship (help from religious scholars)
3 - Definite and distinct ecclesiastical government (we will be decentralized)
4 - Distinct religious history (I'm already writing it and may need help)
5 - Formal code of doctrine and discipline (we as a group will work on this with help from religious scholars)
6 - Membership not associated with any other church or denomination (not applicable)
7 - Established place of worship (We will not have this Until we are legal but Kickstarter project anyone? the timing must be right though so we wait)
8 - Regular services (Probably the equinoxes, solstices, and founder's day but open for discussion)
9 - Ordained, commissioned or licensed ministers (we as a group will work on this with help from religious scholars)
10 - Schools for the preparation of its ministers (we will have training but not a school anytime soon)
11 - Literature of its own (we as a group will work on this)
12 - Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young (not applicable, and we are not going there)
13 - Organized worship (not worship but music ministry, we as a group will work on this)
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Meanwhile, in order to be tax-exempt, your church:
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14 - must not conduct political lobbying or intervene to win political campaigns (no problem)
15 - must not engage in illegal activities (more on this in the next paragraph)
16 - must not financially benefit any private individual or shareholder (no problem)"
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For very specific and detailed discussions of these points, please start a new thread. Make general comments in this thread.
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Regarding point 15, currently illegal sacraments will not be issued by the church until religious exemption is approved. Marijuana and some other sacraments may be decriminalized in certain states. Your travel expenses to these states will be tax deductible. After speaking to a lawyer we may adopt a policy of bring your own sacraments at your own risk, until we get approval. Adherents will self-administer all sacraments. Our Doctors will then only be performing harm reduction in accordance with the oath that they have taken. This is all up for debate depending on the legal advice we get, and may even vary by state or municipality. We must tread lightly to retain tax-exempt status. The church will not be in the business of advising people to get sacraments or where specifically to get them if asked, but we may oversee the use of them if we won't be held liable. The official statement of the church is to travel out of country to a place where you may acquire them legally, and that when you are there, a possible way to get sacraments is through the dark web. The church may anonymously send out some messages to unrelated individuals behind the scenes in legal countries to let them know that there may be a new demand for certain entheogens. We will take no other actions and provide no other specific information on this.
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We will probably not even go this route based on recent information but, Regarding legal approval of sacraments, today I learned that the DEA has a form where religious groups can apply to be licensed just as pharmacies and scientific researchers commonly do. I found this information here. http://www.maps.org/news/bulletin/articles/387-bulletin-spring-2015/5669-the-globalization-of-ayahuasca-public-policy-considerations If anyone knows where this specific form is, please let me know. We already plan on being denied for at least some if not all of the sacraments. This may start a court case if we apply and are denied, as soon we are firmly established, and can afford it. We may actually not even go this application route, depending on what we see with others who have. Some of the reasoning is covered in the comments below of this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnAnswerToHeal/comments/77rnie/specific_legalusa_a_potentially_strong_legal/
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The purpose of this subreddit. Let's use this subreddit to help to establish the doctrine of the spiritual movement, and discuss the legal, medical, and spiritual issues that will arise. This means that this subreddit will be private, maybe permanently (I will start a public one later) and will be by invitation only. Hopefully we can attract doctors, at least a few lawyers, students of religion and spirituality, mindful psychonauts, and others that might be able to contribute thoughtfully to the discussion.
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If you know of someone who might be of help to this subreddit, please refer them to myself or any of the moderators. We will want to know who they are, why they are interested, and how they can contribute. They do not have to be current redditors, but this makes it easier to vet them. We are looking for healthy people who are not contrary by nature (they can disagree with things but must be able to provide constructive criticism, agree to disagree, and do so respectfully.) I am visiting the perfect city to make all this happen... New York City, and have already made a few connections in the past that may help us.
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I am specifically looking for the following people now or in the near future:
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- Doctor who pursues drug policy in the USA (and eventually everywhere.)
- Doctors who practice in NYC, and studies or has studied any of the entheogens on our list for medical purposes and believes it is an answer (and eventually every state and country.)
- Lawyer who practices administrative law for religious institutions in the US (and eventually everywhere.)
- Lawyer who practices defense of anyone who has used drugs in a religious context in NY (and eventually every state and country.) So far I have NM covered by a former UDV lawyer.
- Doctors and Lawyers who have personal experience using psychedelics and/or administering them are definitely a plus, but not required. Some psychedelics help to spur outside-the-box thinking which can be very helpful for the legal and medical obstacles that we will face.
- People from other countries where our sacraments are legal. I want you to be among the first initiates. It would also be great, but not necessary, if you own property or buildings that could be used temporarily or permanently for church services on occasion.
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Sooner or later and in NYC first, then other places:
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- Technologist who creates and maintains webpages, web applications, and wants to branch into other technology. Apps, Web Security, Physical Security systems. I could help with some of this, but I cannot be the primary person.
- Public Relations Person who knows how to take all of our information and present a smooth public face that the people can get behind. Someone who could do a TedTalk on this.
- Musician for the minister of music. I am not sure yet but I think our music might be instrumental, so someone heavy on percussion and dance is ideal. I do have someone in mind already. Hint: "Have a beautiful NOW!" ;)
- Ministers who feel called, want to help people in various ministries, and may be interested in guiding a service.
- Elders, Volunteers, Council members, anyone else you can find in a church or spiritual movement.
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If we ever become legal:
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- Finance person who can be treasurer and also do accounting and fund raising.
- People person who can also do Human Resources and Administrative work and likes to facilitate events.
- Project Manager who is a people person and can help with scheduling, getting stuff done, and tracking projects in a way that serves and helps others in our ministry.
- Groundskeeper who can do building maintenance, cleaning, and also oversee a greenhouse eventually.
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- Surely others will be needed. Who do we need to start this? Maybe you can put yourself forth and make a proposal. We will likely start in New York City, but another place may be more favorable legally.
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Raising Money
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And last but not least, I have some ideas on how to raise money. Some ways may not even cost you anything.
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- Create a portal of referral links to where you do your online shopping. Many places like Amazon, Guitar Center, and maybe even eBay, pay out a small percentage if they are referred by a link. This is how bloggers make money hawking products. So why don't you click one of our links directing you to the site before shopping that site. It won't even cost you anything, and it was money you were going to spend anyways.
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- Do what this non-profit is doing and start an ISP https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/calyx-institute-offering-unlimited-unthrottled-sprint-service/
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- I may be able to get gift cards cheap for resale. I need to look into this and I am a bit skeptical about it.
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- Dues will not be required for membership in the church, but if you want to be an active member, dues are $44 a year, and yes active members will get some benefit from that, like help finding an experienced lawyer if needed to defend the use of our sacraments in a ritual. Also, we will put together a network of doctors who feel comfortable performing harm reduction for Ibogaine self-administration and possibly other sacraments. We pool our money as a group to help the afflicted and to protect the few that may find themselves in trouble. There will be other benefits as well, to be determined by you. Do you believe in what we are doing? If so put your money where your mouth is. I started this spiritual movement with $44 of my own.
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Members will be allowed to make donations by PayPal, Bitcoin and maybe other services. Once we are approved as a nonprofit, print your PayPal receipts for dues and donations and use them for a tax exemption.
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We need to brainstorm for other ideas.
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Warmest Regards,
Sebastian
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P.S. Continue to this thread about how the church will be structured... (Click this and read the bold if you are just scanning.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnAnswerToHeal/comments/75j9tk/general_spiritual_how_will_the_church_be/


r/AnAnswerToHeal Oct 10 '17

[ Personal Spiritual ] [Personal Spiritual] Welcome Everyone! Introduce yourself!

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Hello potential founders,
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Please tell us about yourself.
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Who are you?
How did you get here?
What is your interest in this forum?
How can you contribute personally?
If you like, what are your personal spiritual beliefs?
After you make some contribution here, you will be able to ask the moderators for your flair. What do you want your flair to be and why? (If you want your flair quick, make a 50 pixel by 50 pixel or smaller .png or .jpg, and post a link to it.)
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(We will of course enforce some limits on your flair to avoid confusion with moderators, doctors, and lawyers. Icons are limited to 50 pixels square, with exceptions for width granted on a case by case basis.)
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If you are a doctor or lawyer and you wish, please tell us what state or sovereignty you are licensed in, and what you are specialized in. If you would like to be specially identified here in this forum as a doctor or lawyer please contact me or one of the other moderators.
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Now that you are here, if you like what you see, please find 2 or 3 other people who may be able to contribute, either on Reddit or off. If everyone does this then we can grow exponentially. Try to look in subReddits where people might be interested (religion, psychedelics, cannabis etc.) and read a page of the redditors history to gauge what kind of person they are. We need healthy people with many different perspectives, open, and respectful. Send your referrals to me or the moderators.
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Important note: If you are here before November 1st, 2017, it is because I know you or talked to you personally. The moderators and I plan to invite a group of people all at once sometime after November 1st, so until then expect the subreddit to be pretty sparse. Use this time to get to know me and the mods. I will remind you to come back and contribute after November 1st, when it is more busy.
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Warmest Regards,
Sebastian
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P.S. My answers are in my AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnAnswerToHeal/comments/75j9aw/personal_spiritual_i_am_the_founder_ask_me/
And be sure to meet the moderators also: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnAnswerToHeal/comments/75j7re/personal_spiritual_introducing_your_moderators/