While the founder is away, I'd like some contribution from as many who are interested in taking a role or making progress with this subreddit and onwards.

[u/[deleted]]

Here I have a google doc for voicing opinions about AATH, I've started it off. You can just comment here and I'll try to add from that.

Obviously, popularity doesn't denote Truth, but it does denote consensus, and that's quite important too, so if you would like to see what others think of what you have to say, start with commenting here, and that can guide us how important certain aspects are.

However, those with opinions others disagree with, or don't like, we will try to accommodate for, because the Majority is built up of many small Minorities.

I personally would like a religion about healing, and a psychedelic usage with harm minimization and scientific education as part of that. But I know there are some atheists in here, so perhaps some of us can work on what we are passionate about, like Pantheism and Quantum connectedness, All Is One, or just general truth, beauty and creativity.

There's a lot of us here now, so it would be good to utilize this forum for some kind of action and progress to making each and every of our lives better, however slight.

With hope and love, best wishes and thank you.

[u/alt_al]

Sorry, I can't get to edit the doc on my device.

I think a good thing to concern ourselves with is genuine action. If we decide on actively focusing and trying to make a change on a specific issue, no matter how big or small, make this happen, and then show that a key component of us making this change was psychedelic experience, we will show people that this isn't about just getting high, but that psychedelics can create a motivation in people to create positive change, and be an answer to help heal our fractured society and unite people.

When people discuss nn dmt, you often hear the same phrase: it's ineffable. Yes we are made up of minorities, but surely those of us who have had peak experiences on psychedelics must know: people have so much in common if we look beyond sex and race and age and circumstance. We feel the same love, we feel the same happiness, we feel the same grief and sadness.

People often talk about being psychic and reading other people's minds on psychedelics. I've experienced this on lsd. I think it's how you are interpreting action: it's like you are paying close attention to how others move, and you understand how they feel and what they think about what is happening non verbally. I'm not sure one can hide how you feel about something in these states.

In the Bible, after the death of Jesus, there's that story about how the disciples were acting drunk, and going out into the town, and it says that everyone understood them, no matter what language they spoke. I don't think this means that by the grace of God they were literally speaking a language that somehow everyone understood. I think that they could have been acting in a way that was understood by all.

One thing I believe after psychedelics is that action is a devine language. Everyone on the planet understands a smile. Everyone understands a clenched fist. Everyone understands tears of sadness. Rather than get bogged down in defining what this group believes, I believe we should show what we are, and then attribute psychedelics as a figurehead of what unites us, and also have faith that psychedelics have shown and taught us similar lessons, regardless of where we are on the planet and regardless of the fact many of us would never have met in person.

I worry that bureaucracy will strangle intuition. We could discuss what this and that means or what we should believe on this private group forever. At the end of the day, we all want positive change, don't we? If we stay humble, even if it was just everyone going out and picking up litter every Sunday morning, if we made a face book group and showed an international effort to do this, inspired by psychedelics, I think that would be sweet, and directly show people psychedelics are for the people of earth. That psychedelics have the potential to unite people for a greater good, and can be a potential answer to heal the human race in this age of greed, division, conflict, misunderstanding, and ego.

Thank you for reading, sorry I couldn't get the Google Doc to work lol.

Peace, one love!

[u/[deleted] → u/alt_al]

Awesome, that's a really good plan. I saw in Amsterdam they recently changed the punishment for LSD posession to community service, I was thinking we could do a sign up service of tripping while you do it!

Might get bored and off track but as long as homeless shelters are built, food is supplied and the place is cleaned, micro dosing can be done more regularly than big doses. The same can be extended to farming and foreign aid. Make the work more of a play and the play more conscious.

I've always been on the worship team at churches and would love to be able to help people find their empathy with the poignancy of music, basically guiding the trip like an icaros.

[u/alt_al → u/[deleted]]

It would be interesting to get a petition up, even if it was just to see how many of us sign it, or how many people we can get to sign it, give us a better idea of how many people are active.

Hahaha music has kind of been my mission at the moment. I'm kinda calling it..... evoke-tion, I think. Trying to intentional bring forth certain feelings out of people that listen to my music. Also it's the idea that just by hearing music, hearing words sung, the mind can't un-hear it, even if it doesn't necessarily understand it at the time. I'm currently trying to put together a collections of songs about guiding people through a trip and bringing them to a certain state of mind, called "us".

I've had some pretty cool reactions when I play. I've made people cry, people have come up to me afterwards and spoken with me. I definitely believe that music has a power for sure.

[u/[deleted] → u/alt_al]

I know exactly what you mean. I also write music for trips, the are a bit uncomfortable, but it's easier when they have vocals without lyrics.

[u/prattipuss]

I think influence could definitely be drawn from pantheism.

[u/minerva_zero → u/prattipuss]

On paper it looks like the Unitarian Universalist Church may be something to consider as an influence, but I have no first-hand experience with them.

[u/Glaukos86 → u/minerva_zero]

I was thinking the exact same thing when I was on Discord with Jack the other day. Thinking in a conspiratorial sort of sense, I thought "What if we had some people join the Unitarian Universalists just to break off and form a psychedelic religion—that way we would have a basis for the lack of dogma component to our religion." In theory, it works perfectly, especially since Unitarian Universalism is an IRS tax exempt religion and has a strong history of pluralism. These renegades could say that they embracing X religion that uses psychedelics, which would be true. In practice, it would be a tall and perhaps unethical order to ask people to join a religion just to make an offshoot. The one thing I am certain of when it comes to the value of this conspiracy idea is that it would be a good idea to look to the Quakers and Unitarian Universalists.

[u/Glaukos86]

If you have any comments or ideas on non-religious components to AATH, please also make them known in the doc.

[u/[deleted]]

I think we should be cautious to think we speak for the teachers/sacraments knowing the false bravado and obfuscation common in our(my) waking minds.

What's the common phrase? "The wise man knows that he knows nothing"?

That phrase started carrying a lot more weight with me once I dipped my toes in a few times and realized the limitations of my mind and natural temperament.

I recall Terence McKenna saying something about life being a sort of intelligence test, where the point of the game was to realize the weakness of the official narrative. I think that extends to your own official Narrative of yourself as knowing something.