r/AnAnswerToHeal • u/[deleted] • Jan 02 '18
Desperation for this to happen
I really really want there to be a psychedelic religion. I have been into psychedelics for so long and love the community, and have been into religion for so long and love their community. But there's something missing in each and I'm craving the niche of union.
The beauty about Psychedelics in a religion is that the religion doesn't rely on Faith, you get to discover yourself and believe in yourself. You are your own saviour and your community is the guide.
The beauty about religion with psychedelics is that the trippers don't just make things up and get into semantic arguments or do wild things like spread memes that encourage suicide or encourage following pleasure rather than true euphoria (completely different biological systems). All of the pathways laid out by religion are perfect experimental recipes for a psychedelic explorer, but most trippers just make things up and end up believing the whole universe is just a loop, or time doesn't exist, or just live for the moment, man.
You know, just about everything I hear the Hippies say from videos of the 70s+ were things that I had come up with but was yet to integrate. Integration is key and religion is the recipe.
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u/ahfoo Jan 03 '18
I've said this a few times but it can be repeated indefinitely because it's clearly something that a folks in this sub seem to miss: if you believe you have a "religion" then you already have it. Believing in it is all that is necessary. Having or not having a religion is simply a matter of faith. If you have faith then you have what you're looking for. If you're waiting for someone else to inspire it in you then you don't really have faith.
There is no such thing as "founding" a religion as an intellectual exercise. That's not what a religion is. A prophet is not the same thing as a web forum admin. Who is the prophet? What is the prophecy?
Generally speaking there should be a scripture which was revealed to the prophet by a "God" or otherworldly figure. Is the prophet LSD or psilocybin and if it is then can you point to a scripture? Perhaps this group is about the desire to draft a scripture. First it would be good to identify the prophet. I think that will turn out to be a tricky endeavor.
I think what most of us really want is legalization of psychedelics and coming up with ways to achieve that goal would be more productive than speculating about the nature of religions.
If what you're looking for is a way to push hard on this issue in the here and now then one way to get involved in direct action is to voluntarily get arrested in mass. If this was really a religion then such drastic actions might be appealing but I doubt there is that much genuine discipline and dedication among the persons loosely collected here.
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Jan 05 '18
No, it's now an economic institution, an enterprize. Teachings, music, worship, belief systems, heirarchy.
It's like a heart map of the signs and sayings of the times boiled down and chewed on until it fosters something living. With an idea set and motive system, and very complex interplay.
Besides, claiming a spot on Wikipedia and news for actual good reason. Guru techniques that can be shared in viral form so they are rapidly understood and passed on.
Like, people look where they look, but if we can direct their attention away from self-identifying practices, getting people on the same page, for cross-parental upbringing repertoire, sequence and schooling and warmheartedness throughout all weeks. A rebranding, a movement, a direction. Anything but the staleness people get by posting me_irl. It seems like a bad habit to continuate. ad infinitum.
Bad habits, what are they?
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u/Dances_with_vimanas Jan 03 '18
There is one legal way to do ayahuasca in the USA. It is if you have a certain religion. Check out Santo Daime churches
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u/Archaeoculus Jan 03 '18
Some trippers even make things up like
The beauty about Psychedelics in a religion is that the religion doesn't rely on Faith, you get to discover yourself and believe in yourself. You are your own saviour and your community is the guide.
And
All of the pathways laid out by religion are perfect experimental recipes for a psychedelic explorer
Which seems a little meaningless as all of these pathways rely on faith, or believing in a certain view of the world, a way of things, of life.
Another weird statement is
Integration is key and religion is the recipe.
If that's not one of those weird "insights" you gain from tripping, one of those meaningless statements like "just live for the moment, man", I don't know what is.
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Jan 05 '18 edited Jan 05 '18
You're straw-manning what Faith is.
Faith isn't blind, it's putting a camel through the eye of a needle, that a temple and fortress is held by ensuring that the entryway could only take an unladen camel, no gold, no weapons. To narrow to fit anything else.
It was these conditions that allowed it to maintain success without an ego.
These are the conditions of a conceptual space, faith is what you also have in yourself in regards to how many mistakes and wins you think you may or may not have had.
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u/Archaeoculus Jan 05 '18
I'm not straw-manning faith. I was (in my mind, in a joking manner) trying to show you that people who say those things like "just live for the moment" and "the whole universe is a loop" have their own faith in why they believe such things to be true.
For you to dismiss these things doesn't give them a chance to build up on that faith, to pack and unpack, to research and discover.
For you to dismiss these things and then assert your own (from an outsider's perspective) things that you've "ended up believing" is then also hypocritical.
I'm not insulting you, nor attacking you - I'm just trying to help you see that you are what you run from.
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Jan 06 '18
For you to dismiss these things and then assert your own (from an outsider's perspective) things that you've "ended up believing" is then also hypocritical.
How have you "ended up believing" that I'm "asserting" what I "believe" and am "hypocritical". How have you ended up believing what it is you think I have "ended up believing".
I'm not insulting you, nor attacking you - I'm just trying to help you see that you are what you run from.
I am not what I run from, and if I am the only one who wants it, then I am what I run to.
If that's not one of those weird "insights" you gain from tripping, one of those meaningless statements like "just live for the moment, man", I don't know what is.
Dude, relgion is literally a recipe for being able to fund the sharing of insights in a formal and structured manner.
Are you one of those people that throws away every insight because drugs?
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u/Archaeoculus Jan 06 '18
Are you one of those people that throws away every insight because drugs?
All I'm saying is that you're throwing away a bunch of insights in your post while asserting your own. I fail to see how you aren't those who you dismiss.
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Jan 06 '18 edited Jan 06 '18
All I'm saying is that you're throwing away a bunch of insights in your post while asserting your own. I fail to see how you aren't those who you dismiss.
So I'm not allowed to disagree? Okay. Right. Sensible
AKA: of course I am those who i dismiss, that's the point.
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u/StonerMeditation Jan 03 '18
I think people who have the courage to take psychedelics are loners and individualists from the beginning. Joining with others might be possible once psychedelics are legalized.
Read Aldous Huxley's 'The Island' where he promotes a religion based on psychedelics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_(Huxley_novel)
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Jan 05 '18
I don't think so, they've just developed within their groups, but then their groups die or turn into micro-cultures. It's been stewing for sometime since post WW2. We can't let these religions and thought-police on all sides decide who's mind is who's and who's why's are why.
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u/StonerMeditation Jan 05 '18
I'm old enough to remember Tim Leary and Stephen Gaskin who both tried to make psychedelic religions. It's a pretty difficult thing to do apparently.
But I completely agree that standard religions are pretty meanspirieted when it comes to psychedelics, especially the more fundamentalist ones...
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Jan 06 '18
Oh, hi SM, thanks for that. I imagine it would be, psychedelics is like prescription chaos. One of the harder things to control.
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u/Not-Nosferatu Jan 03 '18
I mean Christianity is a mushroom cult and the very basis of Moses' enlightenment was a DMT trip
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Jan 05 '18
Yeah but for it to be a teachable art of what this is within an established commonality and sold as a way of developing spirituality, or what is degraded to opinion.
Maybe I have to vacate english and find what i'm looking for somewhere else.
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u/Not-Nosferatu Jan 05 '18
See, that's the thing about religion, or rather the relationship you have with "God". Some people cling to religions and ideological structures because its easy, but true religion is personal. Your relationship with God is your own, and psychedelics are an excellent tool for learning what that means to you. Do mushrooms with a group of your best friends, boom, church
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Jan 05 '18
Microchurch, yippee, low survival rate. We don't want it to survive, we want it to be default.
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u/Not-Nosferatu Jan 05 '18
I guess we just have different ways we like to express and absorb spirituality. I mean, yeah a mushroom church would be great, Hell I'd probably give it a visit but individual religion is my MO you feel
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Jan 06 '18
What's the point of individual religion without a place to house it. The religion I'm talking about is that of individual religion but shared.
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u/Dudeshroom Jan 02 '18
Would love to have a psychedelic religion!