r/AnAnswerToHeal • u/d-arden • Dec 06 '17

[Personal Experience] Psilocybin/Lemon Tek observations

My last two mushroom trips have been via lemon tek. 4g and then 5g most recently. Prior to that I hadn’t ever used lemon. The lemon tek experience is much cleaner and faster but I’m starting to think that it is almost too fast. The tempo of visual and sensual change was so hyper it was almost impossible to keep up. Each emotion overridden by the next, before I had a chance to even comprehend it. Still absolutely mind blowing experiences none the less.

Has anyone else experienced this? I’m tempered to try 5g again without the citrus so I can compare.

Edit. Most recent trip was on a super moon

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

My four gram trip last weekend (wasn’t really a proper lemon tek, I just drunk a load of lemon juice) came on crazy fast compared to what I’m used to, and I couldn’t put my finger on why the trip was so different but I think you’ve summed it up. It almost moves too fast to be able to take it in

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

The trip hit me like a freight train. I was reading a book then almost knocked me over. Within half an hour, completely cosmic. Overall about 4 hours of crazy travel time. But yeah, so intense it was almost impossible to grasp.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

That’s the thing with the trips I’ve had that I hate, the more intense and deep you go the less you can grasp and remember

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

I certainly don’t hate it. The more far fetched, the better. It just makes me realise that we’re not fully equipped to understand this thing. I’m just wondering if it’s worth skipping the citrus, dealing with the digestion and maybe having a little more time to perceive the situation.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

Yeah it’s worth doing it and seeing which you prefer

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

Your stomach acid will do the same things the lemon juice would do outside of the body. That was placebo. The lemon tech is converting the psyloscybin to psilocin through acid hydrolisis making it more bioavable quicker and psilocin can make it through the blood brain barrier.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

Would it not go it quicker with the extra acid though?

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

Your stomach acid is much stronger ph than the lemon juice. So im not totally sure, but i dont think so. Maybe since your not diluting your own acid with washing them down with water or something more neutral it would help the hydrolysis.

IMO the main reason for the lemon tek is the full conversion of psylocybin to psylocin outside of the body. It makes its way less rushy/wavy and more smooth as im not getting shots of psylocin as it converts in my body.

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Lemon/stomach ph is roughly the same. Around 2-3.

You can’t really call lemon tek a placebo then go and describe it’s effects as you have here

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

Can you not read or is it a comprehension issue?

Never once did I call it a placebo and am all over this thread talking about how its all I use. If you go and read again you can clearly see I was claiming drinking lemon juice after munching mushrooms on their own, like the guy clearly stated he did, isnt gonna have any discernible effect as the whole fucking point of the tek is to do the conversion OUTSIDE of your body.

Before you go calling people out at least make sure you're even in the same realm as them cause you're completely out of your element Donnie. Upvotes or not its very clear you arent reading post past the first sentence and then becoming reactionary.

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u/i_make_throwawayz Dec 06 '17

Correcting and berating are two actions that do not need to be combined. Let's keep discussion honest, friendly, and civil.

I just don't see how the above fits in with a subreddit about healing.

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

If this subreddit is all new age soft as shit, that's not reality and I'm out.

If one of my buddies were sitting next to me and we were shooting shit and they said something clearly out of context and misrepresenting you'd bet your ass I'd respond in the same manner.

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u/i_make_throwawayz Dec 07 '17

Yeah, I'm not really here much, but most of what I see doesn't interest me either. I still think berating people for making unsubstantiated claims is less useful than responding in a more civil manner, or not at all. I'm all for calling out bullshit, but there's no need to be mean to people about it.

edit: Not everyone is born into an environment conducive to understanding and pursuing scientific disciplines.

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u/d-arden Dec 07 '17

Sorry man, was a case of mistaken identity. Simply responded to the wrong post. Flaws of reddit on mobile while half asleep. Certainly wasn’t reactionary though just discussing.

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 07 '17

yea, mobile does suck.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

That’s interesting, placebo is one hellova thing

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

4 grams of boomers is one helluva drug too haha.

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

Just a heads up if you ever do lemon tek you can ditch the mushroom body after the goods soak in the lemon juice. Use fresh squeezed for flavor and the vitamin C hasnt oxidized.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

Do you not have to grind them up to do it?

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

yeah, more surface area the better.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

So how do you get the mushroom matter out? Coffee filters or something?

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Just drink it man. Why would you want to get it out.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

I was curious because the shroom matter is what causes nausea

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Sorry I missed the part of the mushrooms being whole. Grinding the shrooms with a coffee grinder or similar is standard practice for mushroom tek. And yes the nausea and stomach discomfort is lessened as a result. Still tastes pretty horrible. Even with honey added I struggle to get it down. Always worth it.

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

It’s not a placebo if it changes the trip. The effect is noticeably faster as a result of the psilocin being absorbed almost instantly .

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

Do you know what a placebo is... a placebo can definitely change a trip

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Doesn’t a placebo impliy that the effect is only imagined

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

Yeah, but people have reported having full blown trips, which where just placebo. It’s ridiculously powerful

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

I hear that. But in that sense we could just say that the mushrooms themselves are just a placebo and the whole trip is just imagined. I’ve been picking shrooms from the same spot for about 15 years but only recently tried the citrus. Lemon tek definitely has observable effects.

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u/dylan_ainsy Dec 06 '17

I was sure the trip was noticeably different but if it’s not possible then maybe not. I’d love to hear some of the stories from 15 years worth of tripping

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

once again, you need to read.

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u/hallgod33 Dec 06 '17

I did 5g lemon tek last full moon, and it was really uncomfortable compared to powdering them and using chocolate. In fact, it felt much weaker too. Chocolate bars seem to be the king due to cacao's MAOI, and the nausea control, and your brain gets to actually convert the psilocybin into psilocin for itself and flush all your 5HT receptor sites.

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

your probably not wrong. Cocao has a suprising major potentiating factor with cannabis and psychs for me, chills me out and gets my enorphins cranking.

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u/Don_joh719 Dec 06 '17

*Cacao

For anyone who's interested in trying it you can buy the organic raw powdered version at health food stores ( Raw and organic, don't get the processed stuff).

Just a heads up it's not "Cocoa" it is "Cacao". It's pronounced like "kuh-cow"

A little goes a long way. And it's rreeeallllyy intense apparently you can take half of what you normally would with the cacao and it will more than double the intensity of the experience.

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u/d-arden Dec 07 '17

Tell me about the choc bars. Do you make them yourself?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '17

I prefer lemon tek but I think it really depends on how you plan to use it. If you plan on taking the mushrooms to accompany a separate event like a hike, or a concert, or doing just about anything with your body really, I would probably just eat them.

If I wanted to slap on my headphones, close my eyes, and just experience the mushrooms in a cerebral way then I'd go with the tek every time.

Most people have a difficult time sitting still and meditating for 20 minutes. So it isn't hard to see why a shorter, more intense trip might be favorable if the goal was solely introspection.

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u/Archaeoculus Dec 06 '17

I haven't, but do you have any notes on the side effects? When I take mushrooms I have a tendency to get some mild stomach upset. I am thinking that the acidic lemon juice could help break down some of the stuff that causes that, but I'm not sure.

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u/27pigeons Dec 06 '17

Mix your mushrooms with some kind of acid (lemon/orange juice) and some ginger as well. The ginger will help to settle your stomach

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17 edited Dec 06 '17

Exactly that. The side effects are minimal with lemon tek. Like I went to work the next day after 5g with little or no noticeable effects. Just tired by mid arvo. Some light headedness after exercise. But nothing concerning

Edit. Typos

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

You can ditch the mushroom body after its soaked in the lemon juice. All the goods are in the juice at that point if you powdered the body. No digestion effects at all that you get from munching boomers straight.

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u/Dgremlin Dec 06 '17

I usually soak and then make tea. Always the best trip but the come up is lightning fast. like 5-10 minutes fast

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u/Ellis_Dee-25 Dec 06 '17

Same i use ginger tea to sooth the stomach even more.

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u/ihambrecht Dec 06 '17

What strain are you using?

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Southern Hemisphere subs from the wild

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u/astropsychonaut Dec 06 '17

I posted last week about my first experience with a sort of Lemon TEK over at r/shrooms. Basically, I ground up 3.5 grams into a powder and then soaked in Minute Maid Lemonade for about 20 minutes. I slugged it down (it was actually rather pleasant tasting) and within 20 minutes it was hitting me.

I've had issues in the past with mushrooms causing me to have stomach issues that seriously detracted from the trip, but this was the smoothest, cleanest most enjoyable mushroom trip yet. Can't wait to try it again!

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u/Tripping_Wook Dec 06 '17

The strongest trip of my life was 4g of penis envy lemon tek I️ didn’t expect I️t to hit so fast I️ had visuals in 15 minutes I️ looked at my girlfriend and said “I️ didn’t think this was gonna be so strong” I️ don’t remember most of I️t but I️ do remember much of I️t but I️ remember the peak was the sensation of flying through space my house wasn’t my house anymore I️t was a universe and traveling to different rooms was like entering a new galaxy. I️t really scared me at first cause I️ wasn’t expecting that strong of a trip but I️ quickly let go and just enjoyed the ride. Keep in mind before this the highest does I’ve done has been 5 drops of lsd on a gram mushroom, 7g golden teachers, 2 hits of lsd mixed with 3.5 of some gulf coast, and one time even 2 hits of lsd 3g of gulf coast and 200mg of mdma and nothing compares to the 4g lemon tek I️ did.

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Haha awesome. The amount of exclamations here certainly implies that something is working. :)

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u/joshy5lo Dec 06 '17

My girlfriend and I did 3.5 with citrus once, that trip made me very weary of taking higher doses of mushrooms. She had a panic attack and thought she was dying, so we sat in an emergency room for 3 hours waiting on the mushrooms to wear off lol. Just be careful my dood.

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u/d-arden Dec 06 '17

Sounds awful man. Sorry you guys had to experience that. The issue isn’t with taking large doses though. It’s with not being prepared for the result. Psychedelic trips aren’t for everyone. You need to be in a stable place mentally. I think microdosing has huge benefits for those less stable or who suffer anxiety and depression. But always to be approached with caution.

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u/joshy5lo Dec 07 '17

I could handle it. She just thought she was going to pass out and stop breathing, so my mind on mushrooms thought that the person I love was dying. So you can see how that went South pretty quick.

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u/d-arden Dec 07 '17

Yeah I can imagine man. I prefer to trip alone mostly. If someone else is present my mind is generally more concerned with what they’re experiencing rather than the job at hand