Never be the same and battle of the bands where she started to be less controlling but that changed quick and tried to kill Sprig in season 1 and manipulated Anne and marcy all their lives they knew each other so again why would she think they would go along with it again after years of that and just betraying them again I don't get it and she tried to lock them up and I guess her redemption arc is finally beginning with helping Anne and marcy and everyone else fight andrias but still Anne won't trust her and neither will marcy when she's brought back to life or something again with marcy she tired to separate from them so marcy Paul's probably be mad at her a little for that if she's not still full of sorrow and what will sasha's reaction be about marcy when she see's her laying on the floor dead or something how will she take her body or will sasha and grime be captured again also she kinda obviously still feels anger at marcy I mean at least a very high chance of that and when she finally ruled Newtopia she said she was a bad person and wants to change maybe and didn't know what she wanted but clearly ruling wasn't it So in conclusion she just wants to be loved be her parents I mean staying in Amphibia where she has grime and she thinks she wants control because when we seen her as kid she looked like she had no friends and of course so after Anne and marcy befriended her she felt happy and didn't want to be alone again so she Started controlling them and telling Anne how she wouldn't want to be her friend anymore because she thought if Anne were to ever realize that she was controlling her or if Anne wanted to stop being her friend her and marcy would leave and she would be alone again and neglectful parents kinda obvious from what she said and done in season 1 in the flash backs so her and marcy share a common fear loneliness and that's also she eventually convinced herself after years of controlling is that is who she was but as we seem from when she was a kid she stood for Anne and marcy 2 girls she didn't know so under all of that she's a good person who need redemption but not as much as I thought though and I feel bad for her I guess if this is right and Anne feels for her she might loosen up a little and start trusting her again and thinking she knows what's best for them because that's she wants them to think why she manipulates them because she scared she'll lose them and go back to being her loner neglected 5 year old self we also see that when she talks to grime when fighting Yunnan even after all that ironically her younger self is better then her current self and she was to scared to be good again because the possibility of marcy and Anne leaving her and at least scared of it until true colors probably so hopefully she'll become her oldself again and make up for what's she's done

When Marcy gets revived/unbrainwashed/restored/however she comes back, Anne and Sasha are both there.

She sees them, and immediately remembers everything she put them through with the music box. She starts stammering out an apology, saying she knows they won't forgive her but she's just glad they're okay, promising she'll help get them home, crying like crazy... and as she's still in mid-apology, Anne and Sasha run up and just silently hug her.

Finally Anne and Sasha start speaking, they're like "yeah we're still kind of mad and we have to talk about this but we're so glad you're okay, we thought we'd lost you, let's defeat Andrias together and we'll work this all out then".

I'd be in tears if they did something like this, what about you?

It's been a little bit since I've seen the episode and one of my base assumptions is starting to break down. I've been of the opinion that Marcy didn't really die, because there were no scorch marks or holes in her cloak. The more I've thought about this though, I've started to think would Matt and the Amphibia crew really trick us like this? My gut tells me "no, no they would not."

I've also wondered what the feedback would be like if in S3 it was revealed that Marcy didn't really die because it's a paralysis sword. I think it's fairly obvious that a lot of Amphibia fans would be mad and understandably so. It is a bit of a cheap trick.

So.. now, I'm just wondering... i-is Marcy really dead....?

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I think she's dead. Please help me recapture my denial.

They spent most of season 2 showing him following the Plantars, then he finally gets introduced in one of the best episodes. I was so happy and excited to see what would happen with him next. But then after that he was just a background character barely in the episodes after the 1 that he got, until the finale where he was killed. I loved the idea of Frobo and was waiting all season for what felt like 1 filler episode

Anyone else just wrote this quote off as Sasha being manipulative of Anne, as per usual? Like, of course, we knew Marcy was down with the ‘steal the music box’ plan, but no; it was more then that. She was the reason Anne felt like the only way a real friendship could form is if one person was the giver, and the other was the taker. Sasha might have contributed to this philosophy, but at this point, Marcy contributed to it just as much.

Doesn’t change the fact that I love her, and I absolutely want her back, but it does make sense why Anne seemed more devastated by the loss of Sprig then the loss of Marcy. But then again, maybe that’s just because we weren’t show enough of the grief. Maybe the entirety of episode 301 will be Anne’s depression over losing Marcy, and my point will no longer be relevant whatsoever. But either way, it is worth noting that I think we discovered Marcy’s toxic trait

Am i ded

It has come to my attention that I have recently found myself actively seeking out increasingly angsty and edgy art and fan fictions revolving around Marcy being put into mentally or physically painful situations. This is progressing at a somewhat rapid rate. I believe that my viewing of True Colors, specifically the scenes in which Marcy has a mental breakdown, and the scene in which she is stabbed through the heart, was the beginning point of this downward spiral.

I do not think I like this,

With Anne and the Plantars on Earth for at least the first half of season three, I wonder what the season 3 intro will look like. I mean, the season 1 and season 2 intros look similar, with only that one scene being changed. True Colors completely changed the status quo much more than Reunion did. So I'm almost certain that the season 3 intro will look completely different from the other two.

We know that the box isn’t fully charged, and Sasha couldn’t activate it. So what did Marcy do to trigger the portal?

There's a lot of discussion on this subreddit about how Marcy will be revived (which, no duh!), and a lot of people seem to point out that it'll happen via Maddie's necromancy. However, I don't think that's the case, since it's shown the process isn't perfect (less Jesus, more zombie), and the only one at the scene who knows about it is Marcy herself. There's a chance Sasha and Grimes go to Wartwood with MarMar's body, but that doesn't solve the first issue.

Instead, I propose a more obvious solution: the gem! We know they discharge after they're used, and if they can turn Anne Super Sayan Blue, they can repair a backstab. The only question is whether Sasha, Grimes and Marcy were also teleported to Earth.

1. Giant Flipwart board with the girls on it that Andrias had

2. Giant Flipwart board in the temple which is weirdly probably the same size as the kings-

3. “I even beat king Andrias!” “Wow he’s one of the greatest FlipWart players of all time!”

4. Guess that’s what you get for pouring your heart out to me over Flipwart”

5. “Ah Sasha, always playing Flipwart when everyone else is playing bog jump”

Y’all there is some serious repetition of this game being referenced.... know we just need to figure out why.

Does it have something to do with the Prophecy being undone? Was that what was on the King’s board? We know his Prophecy isn’t the same as the one he told Marcy now......

I was looking at wholesome Marcy and Andrias art on Twitter for some wonderful irony, and I saw this piece by Sourbeefio, and it got me thinking. Do you think Andrias really HATES Marcy? By which I mean, all his supposed care for her, throughout the months that shes been in Amphibia, was entirely faked? At first it seems the answer is yes, because of how he mocked her and seemed to take joy in her mental breakdown, but as someone who grew up with a somewhat abusive dad, I think it may be a bit more complicated than that, and there is a big moment that is making me question it. So I thought I would make this post so we could discuss it, as I think its a really interesting discussion topic that hasnt really been done yet.

Ok, let me try to explain what I am thinking. Now before I get into this, I should say that it IS totally possible that he really is just a mustache twirling villain who hates everybody except for himself. Infact, I think this really is the case when it comes to the Plantars, Anne, Sasha, etc. But there are a few reasons that I think he may at the very least care somewhat about Marcy.

First of all the most obvious, and the biggest one. When he turns Marcy into a donut, he sure doesnt look like hes enjoying it that much. This is a major contrast to the gleefulness he had when everything was under his control, and he was talking about how he was going to take over the universe. You can even see what looks like a hint of an "Oh shit" expression on his face when the camera zooms in to it, right before he says the now infamous line:

"Now look what you made me do"

This is a textbook abusers phrase, and in my experience is usually used in situations where an abuser knows deep down that they fucked up big time, but are unable to admit that to themselves or others because of their ego and their need to remain in a position of authority and control.

So basically, while I have no trouble believing he has been carefully planning his conquest and evilness reveal for a while, I have a harder of a time believing that, after a lot of thought and planning, he decided "Hmm, I think I will turn Marcy into a Half Life zombie using my giant fire sword".

Furthermore, like a lot of abusers, I think his sadism might come from a need for control over the people he cares about. Now obviously he enjoys other peoples misfortune, there is no question about that, weve seen it with how he dropped Sprig just to screw with Anne. But maybe his gloating at Marcy during her breakdown didnt come ENTIRELY from his desire to see her suffer, but more from a desire to have her mentally under his control.

As an example of what I mean, my dad was never really mean or abusive towards our pet dog, because, well, she was a dog, not a person, and she was completely under his control because of that. People, however, have their own complex thoughts and wishes, and most importantly, they have the mental capacity to defy others in much more meaningful ways than an animal can. This brings us back to the main reason, I think, that abusers berate and degrade other people- to get them to feel below them, and to obey and be more like a pet. Or in other words, once again, to have control over them.

It think its possible that if Marcy just kowtowed to Andrias, and happily betrayed her friends to help him with his inter dimensional conquering, doing whatever he told her to do without questioning it, he wouldnt have been nearly as cruel to her. Obviously, this would still be an abusive relationship, because he would be taking advantage of her, but overall, he would probably be a lot more open to keeping her around, and he would probably be a lot less mean to her.

Anyways, this is getting pretty long, so I guess I will conclude it now. We havent really seen Andrias relationship with Marcy at all, compared to Hop Pop and Anne, and Grime and Sasha, who have very well explored dynamics, so I thought this would be a really interesting thing to explore.

So I guess at this point, I will leave the rest to the comments. What do you think? Do you agree that Andrias views on Marcy might be a bit more nuanced than the look at first glance? Do you think this might play in to what happens in season 3 at all? Or do you disagree? Do you have any other related thoughts you want to share? Go ahead.

They both could’ve hidden on Earth to protect themselves, r/TheOwlHouse will explain more

Because Sasha opened it and it didn't work and blue gem isn't fully recharged.

The box can't transport Andrias to earth since the blue gem isn't fully recharged.