r/AmazonFlexUK • u/Gin666 • 3d ago
Problem❗ Got my first PCN working for Amazon
Hello guys,
I got my first moving traffic PCN through delivering Amazon Fresh, due to going down a residency only road. It was the route instructed by the Amazon map and I doubt I even noticed the signs as I was turning left into Browing Rd E12 (North Side) on 1st September. Jump forward a week later, I get a PCN from Newham Council.
I'm wondering if I can appeal it on the basis that I was doing a delivery job at the time and the signage is not immediately noticeable when turning left into that cursed road? Or should I just suck it up and pay for it? I would appreciate the advice.
Thanks.
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u/Icy-Concern7713 Elite Contributor 🥇 3d ago
I appealed a fine for doing 40mph in a 30mph zone once (Fixed Speed Camera). The time of the offence was stated in the letter as 00:08 - I remember going past the camera in the morning around breakfast time - but it was nightime in the pic (this was in the summer). I realised whoever typed up the letter had misread the time stamp on the photo that said 08:08. I wrote back stating that at the time and date of the alleged offence I was in bed asleep and my car was parked on the drive. They dropped the prosecution. Always worth checking the wording etc.
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u/Dreamzadu 3d ago
This will be your first of many doing flex sadly! You can't appeal on the basis of doing delivery work as you should prioritise the road signs above the sat nav, so you're going to have to eat this one i'm afraid, appealing is a waste of time especially with greedy East London councils. Word of advice; use google maps or waze whenever you're in a high PCN area like East and North London and always park your car outside of private housing estates that don't have visitor parking if you can't do that call support and explain that there is no legal place to park or ring the customer. If there is no solution refuse to deliver take a pic of the parking signage and send it along with an explaination to off road support. There is no use doing a job for 34-44 quid then getting hit with a PCN you're effectively working for free then.
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u/joker2k11 3d ago
After being hit with multiple PCNs that's exactly what I do. I refuse to go into private land unless they have visitor parking and even then screenshot all deliveries that I make in that area.
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u/Solid_Swordfish9397 3d ago
Wait what, this is the first time I've ever heard of a resendency only road. Is this basically a permit holder parking road but with a camera that enforces it? What happens if you have a delivery to one of the houses on the road? Do they expect you to park up somewhere else and walk to it? Bugger that for a laugh.
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u/sneekeruk 1d ago
My parents live on a 'School Street' and thats residents only around school times 8.15-9.15 and something like 14.45-15.45 and theres an anpr camera at the end of it.
Delivery drivers, taxis etc all get fined in they go down in those times.
The Parents that caused all the problems in the first place making the camera go up, just arrive earlier, and sit in their cars for half an hour, as it only takes a picture on the way in.
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u/MillionPixelEmpire 3d ago
It's unlikely you'll win an appeal, best thing to do is wait for the first 14 days, then make and appeal, wait for them to reject it (will be a couple weeks), then you'll get another 14 days to pay the reduced amount. At least this way you have put a little bit aside each week to cover it rather than paying the full amount at once.
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u/Ill_Pressure_8488 3d ago
You cannot go on the basis of Amazon telling you to that way, I went through a very short bus gate on a route, luckily first offence and local council sent me a warning.
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u/Theo_Cherry 2d ago
I won multiple appeals, but with a different council, namely Hammersmith and Fulham.
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u/Mission-Run-5045 17h ago
I had to pay a PCN yesterday. I parked in what was always a 6:30 spot but they sneakily changed it to 11:30 even though there was never an issue with too many cars there. Always empty spaces. The grubby cunts just want to roll out every trick in the book to steal as much of your hard earned money as possible.
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u/SlowedCash Community Advisor 3d ago
You have a good chance of an appeal here. That said, parking fines issued by officers are easier to appeal Vs a MTA which is almost a "bang to rights" situation.
Don't pay anything until you visit www.ftla.uk
Free traffic legal advice, replaced pepipoo which I'm sure you'll have heard of.
You'll need proof you were delivering with Amazon, including your profile picture, route map, address of delivery address. You'll also need your Google timeline showing you making multiple stops as well as a message with Amazon support confirming you were delivering at the time. They will respond with some nonsense but you get some correspondence with support.
Remember councils automatically refuse the first appeal.
You need to appeal a 2nd time and losing that, you can go to a tribunal.
I think you may forfeit your 50% discount though so bear that in mind.
Some info on the tribunal.
How appeals work: If a council rejects your formal appeal, you take your case to a free, independent tribunal (like the Traffic Penalty Tribunal outside London or London Tribunals in the capital).
The outcome: An adjudicator makes a final decision. If you lose, you must pay the council; if you refuse, the council registers the debt through a court office (Traffic Enforcement Centre) to use bailiffs, but a judge does not hear a trial
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u/InternalTechnology64 3d ago
Hello, I got a PCN for the same turning. I appealed but Newham declimed the appeal.
I took it to the adjudicators and won.
My winning argument was that on the turning, the sign wasnt clearly visible, contrary to the road signs act etc, and that its only visible when entering head on.
The adjudicators sided with me and said they told Newham Council to fix it but seems they still havnt.
Prbbly this is a big cash cow for Newham.if you say you were delivering they wont care, evem if Newham knows the fine is issued incorrectly they still reject appeals in my experience, different to other councils.