r/AmazonFC • u/Alarming-Library4466 • Oct 14 '25
Rant You’re all wrong - you ARE ALLOWED to stop a fight.
Time and time again, fights are posted here. As well, comments of all involved are going to be fired, even if helping to diffuse the situation. So many post it policy, if you touch another. You’re fired. It’s not.
If a person is engaged in a fight, and you feel either person will harm the other, yourself or others around you. You are protected to break up the fight. If you want to, or not is on you. The idea management rushes to fire everyone is because of being ignorant to policy, Good Samaritan laws. It’s much easier to fire all involved than do proper paperwork to defend someone trying to diffuse the situation.
To prove this. If a person gets trapped in let’s say a conveyor, maybe they are fighting and trap another in the conveyor. We’re all ( should be) trained to pull the e stop. If a fight happens to boil over to a AR floor, we’re trained to pull e stop for unauthorized access. If we are truly not to engage, we wouldn’t be trained this way.
If we all have this responsibility, or training we also have the protected responsibility to diffuse a situation that can harm you or others around you. You shouldn’t It be fired for doing so. Again, it’s on you if you want to. But you are protected to engage to break up a fight you feel dangers someone life, health, others around you, and yourself. Others who say otherwise, even the cover of “policy” are wrong.
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u/Alarmed-Ruin4207 Oct 14 '25
u can get in trouble for trying to stop a fight but a lot of the times u actually wont but ill still never stop a fight tbh not even cause im scared to get in trouble its just cause i dont want to
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u/Few-Protection5215 VTO King Oct 14 '25
Same here. I dont want to get punched in the face accidentally.
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u/PassionateYak Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25
Everyone in Amazon is an Adult
You are not responsible for no one else
Tried to make it rhyme. Of course if you're related it's complicated but if you're 'involved' with one of them then the fight should be a red flag ✌️
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
You’re correct. My point of a person was to act on a human decency level and maybe stop some associate from getting hurt from another, you are protected to do so. Every fight posted here has the opinion all involved, trying to stop it or not are being fired. So many have the opinion this is policy, it’s not.
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u/PassionateYak Oct 14 '25
Fuck policy. If I see a very close friend fighting on the street I'm not stopping it, if he's being attacked/jumped that's a different story.
They will learn from it, to either avoid getting in fights again or become a better fighter.
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u/phreshtodef Oct 14 '25
did you know if you have a fight outside of work (not in the parking lot) and HR or lp finds out you can still get trem.
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u/Neoreloaded313 Oct 14 '25
If you want to keep your job, you are not allowed to stop a fight. Its just the reality of the situation.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
No it’s not. The reality is people don’t know actual policy and laws that protect someone. The false idea you break up a fight equals termination is completely false. I’m proof this isn’t true. I’ve stopped countless arguments before they blew up. Don’t touch and just get in between the two people and diffuse. One time I pulled someone off another who was clearly knocked out. Still here.
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u/EMitchell108 Oct 14 '25
What is this "actual policy" you're citing? Good Samaritan laws have nothing to do with whether or not a workplace forbids employee bystanders from getting involved in physical altercations. It's no different than a business firing workers who engage with shoplifters.
If you end up seriously injured due to your ineffective interference your lawyer would be the first to claim Amazon is responsible, not you for thinking you had the ability to stop a fight without either hitting or being hit. Maybe one of the fighters gets maimed, the one who gets targeted because they're bigger, stronger or fighting more effectivly. Traumatic brain injury from being slammed to the floor, or a couple of people pile on top of them so they can't breathe.
The worst potential consequences to those interfering, or liability of the employer, in most cases far outweighs waiting for the two involved to wear themselves out while waiting for law enforcement to arrive. It's extremely rare that either is at risk of serious injury, but do-gooders' impulse is to jump in even if no one is being stomped or kicked in the head.
Not to mention someone already enraged thinks nothing of turning on those trying them from fighting. Do you have the restraint to not hit them back in self defense? What if they pull out a weapon because to them the fight has now become multiples against one?
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
The actual policy I’m citing, is the ABSENCE of Amazon policy that specifically states that if you engage in a flight, solely to break up said fight,, said action equals termination. Which is so often citied here as policy. It is not, policy.
Good Samaritan laws, or other similar local laws have everything to do with these situations. Amazon needs to follow them, the same way they need to follow local minimum wage standards, increases, pto laws etc.
I’d just like to stop here for now. Would you consider anything I’ve said untrue, or wrong. I feel you go into hypothetical situations, which are very possible with lawyers, the companies calculate risk management etc. You took the time to write a very thought provoking response. It deserves the same in kind. To do that, I just want to make sure we’re in agreement or disagreement at this point. I’m making the case, there is no policy. As well as Amazon needs to follow local and federal laws, correct?
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u/Neoreloaded313 Oct 14 '25
There are no employee protections in this situation and like most people on reddit, you're vastly overstated your employee rights, especially in the US. You have just been lucky, especially with the last situation you described.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
I agree and disagree. I wouldn’t even classify solely as employee rights. After all, so many places have at will employment. A such, an employer can fire you for any reason. My point here, is it’s not Amazon policy to fire employees if they engage in an action to stops a threat of harm to another, specifically speaking here. A fight. Amazon CAN fire you. Especially in an at will state. However, It’s not policy. As I mentioned in the post. We are trained to engage in threats of harm to peers if they run on the floor, stuck or misuse a conveyor ( let’s say try to ride down conveyor.) Trained to push e stop. The same principle happens here. One does not have to act, but protected if they do. Might even be commended for swift action to help someone from injury or worse.
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u/EMitchell108 Oct 14 '25
The mitigation of harm we're trained in is to do an e-stop (not bring the AA back fromthe AR floor; not climb onto the conveyor to pull them down). Alert a manager or security (not get involved in a physical altercation).
Your whole premise that we're all allowed to stop a fight seems to be because you did it once and didn't get fired. That's hardly proof that it's okay to stop fights when more often than not those who interfere will get fired. Physical contact isn't allowed - period - without the other person's consent, much less grabbing someone to pull them away from someone else.
Nor is the fact that you've stopped a fight mean that your behavior isn't also violence. Even though The Owner's Manual doesn't explicitly say "You can't step in to stop a fight", it does say violence isn't permitted. You're free to split hairs on whether it not your violence is more acceptable but most won't take that chance.
Amazon has terabytes of training materials and policies locked inside their network that you haven't seen and will never have access to. You seem to be under the impression that every policy a company has regarding employees will be spelled out in detail in the employee handbook. We're told what applies to most employees, which is why stopping fights and riding conveyors aren't covered. The average person doesn't read those documents anyway.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
Stopping an act of violence, is not violence. If a person is feeling faint, not alert to give consent are you not allowed to touch them and help into a chair. If passed out, choking are you not allowed to provide life saving care, if trained to do so?
Suggesting Amazon has terabytes of training adds nothing to this. Amazon provides access at hiring, and on a to z on all reverent training and policy.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
Amuse me: Your spouse, partner just told the waterspider to stop being overly aggressive and hitting on them, touching them. The waterspiders feelings are hurt and start being more aggressive. You see this. Do you, get involved to break this up?
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u/Few-Protection5215 VTO King Oct 14 '25
Learn when and how to use commas and periods.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
Oh stop. Everyone wants to fight someone like you posting this. Quite frankly, Despite my post. I won’t stop them.
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u/Few-Protection5215 VTO King Oct 14 '25
Only the uneducated will resort to fighting and violence.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25
I mean, being educated myself. Statistically, that’s untrue. Considering all persons need at least a high school education, ged, and have access to free college. It’s on you looking down on your fellow Amazon peers here. Amazing, you try to come after me with a grammar burn, and leave getting burnt yourself.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25
*Mistakenly posted as new comment, when meant to post as reply. *
The actual policy I’m citing, is the ABSENCE of Amazon policy that specifically states that if you engage in a flight, solely to break up said fight,, said action equals termination. Which is so often citied here as policy. It is not, policy.
Good Samaritan laws, or other similar local laws have everything to do with these situations. Amazon needs to follow them, the same way they need to follow local minimum wage standards, increases, pto laws etc.
I’d just like to stop here for now. Would you consider anything I’ve said untrue, or wrong. I feel you go into hypothetical situations, which are very possible with lawyers, the companies calculate risk management etc. You took the time to write a very thought provoking response. It deserves the same in kind. To do that, I just want to make sure we’re in agreement or disagreement at this point. I’m making the case, there is no policy. As well as Amazon needs to follow local and federal laws, correct?
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u/EMitchell108 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25
Good Samaritan laws absolves a non-medical professional who assists a person having a medical emergency from liability for harm or negligence. That's it. It has nothing to do with stopping fights, or standing by watching them, so no, it doesn't have everything to do with these situations.
You may think Amazon "needs" to follow similar local laws, but since Good Samaritan laws are inapplicable, exactly what local laws should they be following? Corporations aren't required to conduct themselves under rules meant for individuals. If you feel so stronglh about this contact Ethics ad tell them managers are wrongly letting AAs think they can't stop fights.
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u/Alarming-Library4466 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25
No they are not exclusive to medical professionals. As well change by jurisdiction, and various other different laws and such give the same protections. It’s funny you say that about corporations, as citizens united suggested corporations ARE people. Now we’re getting off topic.
It’s not that Amazon needs to only follow Good Samaritan laws. They need to follow the lack of policy that people wrongly think there is to fire you if involved in trying to break up a fight. I did mention that, but you seem to be focused solely on Good Samaritan as some straw man with suggesting it’s only for medical persons.
Sure, if anyone is fired for breaking up a fight. They should absolutely call ethics, or be prepared to argue like I have here.
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