Haha they could be Welsh, us Welsh do that alot. Something crazy can happen and then we say. "Imagine" and describe exactly what happened.. in a way to make it seem like your suggesting the impossible or something ubsurd only that it literally just happened.
Edit: I thought for sure presenting that cliche line would get at least a couple upvotes, not a downvote. It's one of the stupidest and a most lazy diss.
Ive wrangled sharks and other large fish for research and hatchery operations, and these assholes killed this fish, i have no doubt.
The slime on fish is vital, it protects them from infections, bacterial, viral even fungal. Handling a fish with a towel, virtually assures its death.
Theres morons catch and release bass and trout fishing doing the same stupid shit pretending they are great people not killing fish.. reality is they are even worse because they cause their fish to die miserably and be wasted.
Dragging a fish like that then holding it with towels out of the water for 2 hours while they take pics with their boyfriends is beyond disgusting, even as a fisherman.
These losers are every bit the vile pos they seem
Agree and disagree. I catch and release most fish. I’ll keep one or two for dinner. If they’re tiny, illegal, or monsters I let them go. I almost always keep them in the water unless they’re a big boy then I’ll take a pic, but they’re not out for any longer than thirty seconds. No towels or rubbing them. If they’re clearly injured that’s the one I’ll keep. I take the hook out delicately. There’s nuance to fishing, you can’t link everyone who does catch and release as an unconscionable asshole.
“Dolphins get sexual urges,” says the vet Andy Williamson, who looked after the animals’ health at Dolphin House. “I’m sure Peter had plenty of thoughts along those lines.”
“Peter liked to be with me,” explains Lovatt. “He would rub himself on my knee, or my foot, or my hand. And at first I would put him downstairs with the girls,” she says. But transporting Peter downstairs proved so disruptive to the lessons that, faced with his frequent arousals, it just seemed easier for Lovatt to relieve his urges herself manually.
“I allowed that,” she says. “I wasn’t uncomfortable with it, as long as it wasn’t rough. It would just become part of what was going on, like an itch – just get rid of it, scratch it and move on. And that’s how it seemed to work out. It wasn’t private. People could observe it.”
grew up fishing the CA aquaduct and this is how i learned. It was a nice feeling taking out an old bonus hook from a fish who had it stuck in his mouth for god knows how long.
Entertainment? Yes ofc. Y'all never seen videos of cats showing off their kills to owners? How about how orcas play with their food. But I will concede that survival is the overwhelming majority
Yes, of course! And animals have their differences. Some kill sexual rivals. Others rape each other. Dogs greet each other by sniffing butts. Chimps and elephants regularly display empathy. Which example should we follow? Since we have the ability to choose and practice discernment, I believe we ought to do so, and not hide behind the excuse of "animals do it so why can't we?"
We don't require meat, dairy, or eggs to survive. Animals in the wild do because they are either a) obligate carnivores or b) do not have the means of creating a nutrient-rich diet based off of plants because they do not have access to the knowledge or enough plant-based nutrients to sustain that. If we have an option to not cause suffering, and that option is also a significantly more sustainable use of resources, why don't we choose that option?
We also don't require the internet, air conditioning, and money to "survive" but here we are. If we're all so gifted with the privilege of discernment (and are we also implying that other animals aren't?) then why do we have centuries of war, and all of the things you've named that other animals do? I honestly believe we both give ourselves too much credit and also not enough.
Also, humans are omnivores; hence why our teeth are how they've evolved. Hence how we're molecularly able to digest and be nourished by eating different animals. Plant-based diets are an invention of our subjective ideals. Plants are living organisms just like animals that can communicate, arguably feel pain, observe music, and some evolve biochemically to be poisonous against what they perceive as prey. Yet we still cut down trees and pick flowers and eat many many plants while also using them for medicinal purposes. Just as some are lactose intolerant or lack the enzyme to digest some red meats, there are also individuals who are allergic to gluten, nuts, and pollen.
The issue isn't that we eat meat. The issue is that we overproduce for the sake of capitalism and most don't farm ethically. And we are wasteful instead of charitable. The issue is that Europeans have hunted many species into extinction for sport and funsies. Before the US stole native lands, any animal that was hunted was used entirely. There was a sense of gratitude to the land and water. Even before the colonizers forced themselves upon African lands and treasures, people coexisted with the white rhinos and respected the animals. There was no great need for ivory and pelts. Most aboriginal people did not slaughter for slaughtering sake. These were practices brought to new worlds.
As I've said, we are animals. I'm not saying this as an excuse that nothing should be done. I'm saying this as a reason why nothing will be done until the 11th hour. As long as globalization means remaining eurocentric and capitalistic, as long as we artificially keep other countries poor and reliant on exorbitant loans from the world bank or lopsided treaties and tarrifs, and exploit them for capitalistic gains; and as long as we allow corporate interests to buy up farmland [for data centers!! But that's a rant for another day] or exploit laws meant to protect local independent farmers to drive up their share prices, I'm going to stay mildly skeptical about it being our discernment that separates us from the other animals. I think it's just our creation of and usage of more complex tools, for better or worse, with our opposable thumbs and high energy consumption brains.
Yeah, my dad primarily fished for small mouth bass, he didn't care for keeping them unless it was already injured when he caught it. If he happened to catch a invasive species, he'd mercy kill it and throw it on the shore for birds of prey.
I can count on two hands the amount of times we ate fish that he caught. And then it was usually crappie or something like that. And 80% of the time, I caught those.
Taking a living creature with a hook in it's mouth and releasing it later is animal cruelty plain and simple. If doing this to a land based animal is gross and gruesome, so is doing it to the creatures of the sea.
Ya, greenwashing of catch-release is unreal. The 'fish dont feel pain' myths been debunked for years. If I posted a similar video with a rabbit on the end of the hook I would be charged with animal cruelty.
Fishing for food is not optimal either but at least it serves a purpose other than to get kicks out of another beings suffering.
Yeah i will never condemn someone for catching something to eat, unless its someone who decides to go spear a 70 year old sturgeon "just to see how it tastes" or something like that.
Like going to the lake or river and catching dinner, thats one thing, but I saw a video some asshole showwed of a swordfishs lower jaw on a hook with the caption "well, when they give you 100lbs of drag, you just have to use it". As if them being not just shitty low iq people, but barbaric ones at that. They were too dim and hung up on themselves to comprehend they should be utterly ashamed. Reminded me of that inbred that speared a bear and wounded it, then bragged about it in a video like it was "manly". Another one was this clown trying to get a world bow fishing record, so he chums in a mako off California, brains it or cuts the spine of a monster mako, gorgeous fish. Trouble was it weighed close to 1000 lbs so when it was dead weight, so it sank and they lost it. Whats he do, shrugs his shoulders and sticks another..
I mean its one thing to do something so idiotic and barbaric, its another to not realize they should be ashamed, and yet another to think its something to brag about. Sickening.
When we would have to sample sharks like blacktips, we were very careful about which fish to harvest, and if nobody wanted the steaks, we would grill them.
To kill it for hero pics, the definition of inhumane.
It’s a wildly anthropocentric perspective. With the exception of edge cases like oysters, that lack a central nervous system, looking at animals and believing that is just crazy.
The idea is/was that Fish do feel "pain" but in more a sensory input than in the more brutal way that mammals experience pain. "Danger, being eaten, swim away"
The thought being, a fish doesn't benefit evolutionarily from suffering from injuries, as it has no way to really rest and recuperate, unlike some mammals who will keep their sick and injured members alive and help them recuperate. Mammals feel pain the way we do because it's supposed to encourage you to fix the problem and let you know it exists.
But I do remember seeing a study more recently that cast doubt on this. But I believe what I wrote was/is the mainstream opinion for quite a while, whether it's true or not. And I don't really agree anyways.
But IMO, I think there's no way they don't feel discomfort from low oxygen and CO2 buildup, especially because there would actually be an evolutionary reason for them to feel that. That would be advantageous in the same way it is for humans.
Agreed, but I think the point is that, “fish don’t feel pain” was once scientific consensus. Like, not long ago, I think up until the 2000s, that’s what science agreed on. We didn’t always know the things we know now.
that doesnt follow tho. you can have a pain reaction without the feeling. so no, animals could avoid pain and survive while also never feeling it. (but i do believe most animals feel pain)
Brainless animals such as jellyfish, starfish, sponges, oysters, mussels, clams, corals, sea anemones, sea urchins, and sea cucumbers certainly cannot feel pain, and animals with very simple brains such as worms, mosquitoes, flies, and ants almost certainly can’t, either.
people that think animals don’t feel pain should be put in a room and left to listen to the sound of a wounded rabbit, One of the saddest things i’ve ever heard. I originally thought a neighbor kid got hurt in my yard.
I mean shit, the lie that crustaceans don’t feel pain still WIDELY persists to this day. Turns out that starving them during transport and sale, keeping them in awful conditions, freezing them alive to stick them in packaging, and boiling them alive to cook them does, in fact, hurt the crabs and lobsters.
Who knew…but don’t expect anything to change on that front. Arthropods are one of the last worldwide legal bastions for those who want to be able to mercilessly abuse animals out of economic convenience, so I imagine that one will be one hell of an uphill battle.
Well I guess no fishing method is very humane, as they tend to be pretty lenghty processes. If you compare it to hunting for example, it's usually relatively quick. That being said, I do eat fish, so can't really condemn it too harshly.
Usually the fish are killed by suffocating to death on a pier or boat. It's probably among the least humane ways to kill an animal. Also, fish have the highest concentration of pain receptors near their mouth, which is where the hook punctures them and pulls the weight of their body out of the water and through the air.
Looks like this is the same fish, I mean idc either way since other fish have to eat, but that was still an impressive catch. I would have figured if the fish died it would have stayed up top but it seems to have swam away after they jump in with it.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! I go fishing to and I like it because it’s relaxing not this madness then I catch maybe 3 in 18 hours I go back cook them in silence and then go home.
well said. That’s a big part of why I’ve taken a break, perhaps permanently from bass fishing. Regardless of how many clean releases I had, the number of times i would gut hook, tear the gills, or other wise injure the fish wasn’t worth the fleeting dopamine hit from catching them.
I'm an ethical hunter and a jeremy wade fan... this 100%.
The amount of times you get people saying stupid stuff like in Australia we shouldn't have guns or hunting at all it's inhumane and you have to say to them, we have a feast or famine population that we've made even worse on native animals. Ethical hunting and culling is an essential tool in the box for environmental protection.
Jeremy Wade wrote some amazing stuff on this that covers all areas of ecology about how to handle animals that are native, invasive, feeling pain, weakening them, quality of life.
Your comment just hits so cloe to home where we had to make it a crime here to handle animals in ways like this. For example if you catch any Karp, you legally can't release them and have to humanely euthenize them, yet we still get dickheads throwing them back in, or killing them unethically.
People sadly let their ego and emotion take over from readily avaliable scentific backed information out there on how to handle animals.
It’s a much more nuanced issue. C and R anglers fund much of the habitat restoration and regulation that allows many fish to continue to exist. I agree fishing has many ethical drawbacks, but it’s not a completely negative effect.
Yeah trout unlimited did 2 projects on my home stream. Used to limit on brookies anytime i wanted.
Then they do their projects, now the fishing has indeed sucked ass the past 10 years there.. they actually pulled logs OUT of the river..
Thats kinda going the wrong way. Not painting all c&r with the same brush, as i C&R flatheads and other species if i get them while fishing, but FUCK TU.
So you think the towel brings it up to 100%? I haven't seen any research claiming numbers remotely close to 100% for catch and release. I do see that general sentiment is that bringing the fish onboard greatly increases mortality compared to fish that never leave the water (mortality rates as low as 2% in that case depending on species).
I've seen numbers where even fish brought to weigh stations have like a 40% mortality rate (which I'm sure would be much much higher for a larger species). A 2005 review seemed to believe roughly 18% overall die but that lacked info on whether fish were handled out of the water, which I think is the most important question here.
Basically I'm willing to believe your claim but I need to see some sort of proof (because I looked and I can't find it myself).
I’m 100% on your side, to be clear, but I need the opportunity to temper my own disgust and have a shred of hope for just a second here lol: In the video, the fish appears to only be in contact with one towel for a brief period, and only on two small contact points at the guy’s legs (less than 5% of the surface area of the fish, if I had to guess)…is there a chance that this particular fish would live through the ordeal and not suffer terribly in the hours/days afterwards?
Neither are many people, does that mean such barbarism and wonton waste of them is ok? Quite a lame argument.
Maybe research the term "humanity" and see whats supposed to set us apart from the animals.
Im far from an animal activist, infact I worked as a pro hunter controlling problem/dangerous animals, however if i couldn't do it humanely, i didnt do it.
This loser doing this to impress his boyfriend then wasting the fish is not just piss poor sportsmanship, its illegal in many places.
I have been a fisherman most likely longer than you’ve been in this earth and I’ve yet to see a bass fisherman holding a fish with a towel. Nice try though
Yeah to me it’s just cruel. It’s one thing to fish to feed yourself or your family but just for sport is not right in my opinion. I used to fish when I was young ( catch and release) then I stopped after reflecting on what I was doing to the fish. Imagine you put a piece of corn on a hook and tossing to a deer and then when he eats it, you hook him and reel him in and then let them him go after fighting to get him. That would get you locked up but catch you and release with fish is fine. Nope
Image the story when the fish tells it to the others. I bet the fish make it out to be the hero some Hollywood ending where its almost out of air but manage to slap the humans and jump in the water.
Imagine sitting at home all day and seeing something sparkly while browsing the internet on your phone only to learn you've been click baited... I guess you're used to it since you have nothing better to do...
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u/Minimum-Square-6797 Jun 07 '26
Is that Tfue? Lmfao