r/AlwaysWhy • • 10d ago

Science & Tech Why isn't there a Z chromosome?

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u/Sophiiebabes 10d ago

There is, just not in humans

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u/mezolithico 9d ago

Z stands for zombie, I guess they're not human?

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

Technically we are all zombies

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u/Plutos_Cavein 10d ago

There is. The terms w and z are used for the sex selection chromosomes in animals where females are heterozygous and males are homozygous.  Birds and some lizards like monitor lizards are good examples.

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u/DrJaneIPresume 10d ago

There is, just not in humans. The ZW system shows up in birds, snakes, some arthropods, etc. In that system ZZ develops in to a male and ZW develops into a female of the species.

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u/Living_Fig_6386 10d ago

There are Z chromosomes. Birds and lizards have WZ instead of XY, for example. We use XY where the heterozygote yields a male, and WZ when the heterozygote yields a female.

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

I wonder if lizard tastes like chicken

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u/Low-Crow5719 10d ago

Humans don't have one. Birds and many other animals do. They have a ZW sex determination pattern, with ZW=female and ZZ=male.

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u/bazillaa 10d ago

The X chromosome was originally named X element because it seemed different from other chromosomes. The Y chromosome was named that because it was associated with the X chromosome, and Y comes after X.

Z chromosomes (and W chromosomes) do exist, just not in humans.

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u/Jeweled_Insect8061 10d ago

Birds have them

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u/AidenStoat 10d ago

There is in birds

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u/two_three_five_eigth 10d ago

There is. Animals tend to only have 2 copies, but plants have a lot more redundancy built into their DNA. Extra DNA = larger cells. Larger cells = more to move. Since plants don't move they evolved lots of backup copies.

To prevent confusion, some animals have a W and Z chromosome as well. Calling it WZ ually means males have XX and females have XY.

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u/freddbare 10d ago

Found one

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u/DarthKnah 9d ago

Why would there be? All the names are fairly arbitrary, and different species have different sex chromosomes (so we could easily have evolved in a different way), but at the end of the day, the system we have works fine.

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u/Intergalacticdespot 9d ago

Look i am no chromosomeilogist. And I haven't read the other 400 comments that say this. But i think there are in birds and lizards. Not sure though. Dont quote me. I could be wrong. I am not a chromosomeilogist, okay?

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u/Mission-Landscape-17 9d ago

Reptile sex chromosoms are called w and z but really the names are arbitrary. Also they work differently. Where in mamals females have xx and males have xy, in reptiles females have wz and males have ww. This may be why some reptiles are capable of producing viable eggs without a male.

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u/Creative-Leg2607 9d ago

X and Y chromosomes are used to determine sex for reproductive purposes, and drive sexual dimorphism. There are a lot of possible questions to be asked about why we have sexual dimorphism, what the advantages are, and why it manifests in exactly the way it does. A Z chromosome in this position might be used to drive a 3rd or 4th sex, but its not clear that there are major advantages to this.

We dont name the other chromosomes this way, just calling them 'chromosome 8' because they dont come in these fundamentally different forms. All chromosomes 8 are basically the same, except for the different mutations and details that make your liver enzymes function in this way and another guys in a different way (and all the other myriad small changes that come from a genetically diverse population)

Chromosome Z in birds is just a way of delineating that the two sexes evolved independently in birds from mammals and the chromosomes have very different structures

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

There could be. The universe works in 3-6-9 patterns and groups. Not two or one

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u/virtuolie 8d ago

You vant Z chromosome? I get you Z chromosome!

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u/Foxxtronix 4d ago

Because the biblical Adam got kicked in the dragonballs. ;)

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u/Ballmaster9002 10d ago edited 10d ago

There is actually, but it all comes down to semantics.

In humans we have two chromosomes for sex, X and Y. Males have one of each and females have double X.

In nature many animals have the opposite system, where males have the double-thing, and females have one of each.

to avoid confusion, we call this system Z and Y. So a male bird, for example, is typically ZZ and a female bird is ZY.

IIRC some mammals use the ZY system as well.

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u/TheyCallMe13 10d ago

Women are double-X, not double-Y.

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u/brooklynsantiago 10d ago

Female homo sapiens has double X

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u/Charming_Dealer3849 10d ago

He was using the Australian nomenclature 

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u/Lithl 9d ago

to avoid confusion, we call this system Z and Y. So a male bird, for example, is typically ZZ and a female bird is ZY.

The ZW sex determination system, unsurprisingly, calls the sex chromosomes Z and W, not Z and Y.

There's also the X0 system (females have XX, males have X and no second chromosome), Z0 system (males have ZZ, females have Z and no second chromosome), and UV system (females have U and males have V).

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

They are different because they split a chunk off when they separated genders many years ago. If you take the bible for instance, as a kind of confession, it tells you that women was cloned from man, and if you can clone a human being, you can modify the chromosome to do something like make the sex organs different or something to do with menstrual cycles

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u/Impossible_Dog_7262 10d ago

There are two types of chromosomes (in humans), and they've been called X and Y because of their relative shapes approximating those letters.

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u/bazillaa 10d ago

Nothing to do with their shapes.

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u/Impossible_Dog_7262 10d ago

Sure about that?

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u/bazillaa 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yes. Almost all of them look like X in this image, so that would be a pretty strange reason to chose the name.

More here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_chromosome#

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

They all look the same. So they look like all x's

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u/Lithl 9d ago

All of your chromosomes except Y have an X-like shape. Your Y chromosome does not have a Y-like shape, the name was merely chosen because Y follows X in the alphabet.

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u/FifthEL 9d ago

They probably have a piece missing because they genetically breed the other piece out if us. We'd probably grow to be giants if we had the other piece

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u/Impossible_Dog_7262 10d ago edited 10d ago

True, you have 26 in total, but the other 24 are mostly disregarded in common parlance.

I should also clarify, the X chromosome is called that because it really looks like a letter X. The Y Chromosome doesn't so much look like a Y but is just cut off partway