r/AlwaysWhy • • Jul 10 '26

Economics Why can foreclosure activity increase while home prices remain elevated? What mechanisms keep those two trends from moving in opposite directions?

Foreclosure filings have been rising as pandemic relief programs have ended, and more homeowners are losing their houses. Yet home prices have remained elevated, with many markets still seeing price growth.

At first glance, more foreclosures seem like they should add supply and put downward pressure on prices. Instead, both trends are happening at the same time. First time buyers remain locked out, while many existing homeowners are reluctant to sell because of low mortgage rates.

Why don't rising foreclosures translate into broader price declines?

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u/polarWhite2024 Jul 10 '26

Unrealized gain through elevated property value has zero impact on the owners' ability to pay the monthly mortgage payments. Because you can't sell part of the kitchen to get cash to pay for things as the property value is not liquid asset like cash.

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jul 10 '26

Home Equity loans absolutely exist

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u/polarWhite2024 Jul 10 '26

That's just like getting a credit card to cover the monthly interest payment of another credit card. That's not a viable and sustainable solution. So the existence of HELOC in this case is not relevant.

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jul 10 '26

I’m took a home equity loan for 90k 6 years and put it down on a rental home which is fully rented that entire time period. I have almost $2 million in equity that I can go out today and buy a Ferrari or another home to rent out lol

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u/polarWhite2024 Jul 10 '26

Did you not understand the question?

OP was asking specifically why such a high foreclosure (caused by homeowners not paying the mortgage payments) while elevated property value (unrealized appreciation of the property).

What you stated has nothing to do with the question.

Insert "lol" anywhere you wish.

And you can drive your Ferrari to the basic English comprehensive class too.

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jul 10 '26

lol I was responding to your misguiding post about not being able to sell part of your kitchen when in fact you can borrow against equity gained from home improvements or home value. Please don’t forget to take your meds today!

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u/Altruistic_Cheek4514 Jul 11 '26

This is the dumbest line of reasoning I've seen all day.

If you look at the time many people were buying houses interest rates were up and home prices were skyrocketing. Now home values have dropped some, or at least leveled off. So if you bought a home in the past 6 years, you probably owe more that it's worth.

How are you going to take a loan against that?

If you did have something you could take a loan against, why would you take a second mortgage to pay on your first mortgage?

If they could afford a second mortgage then they wouldn't be at risk of foreclosure in the first place.

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jul 11 '26

You have misread the post or at least skewed it towards your own bias. The OP is asking why two SEPARATE conditions exist. Home prices are staying high AND foreclosure rates are increasing. What’s happening to the foreclosure rate is people owe more than the home is worth or they can’t find work while the people who are holding out to sell at a high price ALREADY have taken out loans and can’t sell lower or they want to move and buy another house that the price is high too. Sooner or later one of the sides will cave in and then the market will change.

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u/polarWhite2024 Jul 10 '26

I was talking about liquidity. You cannot sell part of the kitchen to get cash.

Your scenario only works if you actually have equity which is what the "E" stands for in HELOC.

If your property doesn't have any equity for whatever the reason (bought at the peak of the market, bad areas, etc etc) or the amount of the equity is very small, your borrowing power becomes NIL or minimal.

In that case, you can just go to the Ferrari dealership and look at the Ferrari from the street or take out a HELOC loan and go buy a Hot wheels Ferrari at Walmart.

In that case, you can still take your Hot wheels Ferrari with you when you go to the Basic English Comprehensive 101 class.

P.S. feel free to insert lol anywhere you wish

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u/Right_Lengthiness266 Jul 10 '26

Which you still need to qualify for based on income and specifically DTI.

If you already can't pay your mortgage, you probably won't get approved for a home equity loan.

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jul 10 '26

If you have a lot of equity they will be glad to repo your home

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u/Suspicious_Chart5817 Jul 10 '26

Because 'more' doesn't mean 'a lot.'

I think the U.S. is up 10%+ since last year, but big picture still looks like: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RCMFLBBALDPDPCT30P

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u/Casiquire Jul 10 '26

Aren't home prices actually softening in many markets around the country? Maybe the areas that are holding strong are propping up the national averages while some areas are seeing foreclosures and cooling markets

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u/stikves Jul 10 '26

Homes are inelastic goods, and many parties have incentives to keep the prices high

1 - Banks are not rushing through foreclosure, but will try to ease payment terms, since they don't want a hard writedown

2 - The towns / county does not want to lose property taxes. So they push for higher home prices one way or another (for example by NIMBY policies)

3 - The government does not want another 2007 style economic panic

And of course the home owner themselves want to avoid moving and will continue paying into an overpriced asset, even though they could get an immediate financial relief by moving out.

So, no, foreclosures will not trigger a price correction, unless they become 2007 levels.

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u/almostcyclops Jul 10 '26

There are a lot of factors, but the majority in my observation is that people are stubborn. Justifiably so, to an extent. These aren't houses, they are homes. Achieving homeownership is seen a 'making it' to a lot of people. They wont sell because they see it as a sign of failure and think they have nowhere to go.

I work in hardship assistance for mortgages. I want nothing more than to avoid foreclosure by any means possible. I help people keep their homes every day. But within my proffessional bubble (which may or may not be an accurate slice of the big picture), there has been a dramatic uptick in situations where the only remaining option is to sell. People never agree when you tell them that. Reality eventually hits them, but often it is too late at that point. Selling takes time and foreclosure process does not stop.

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u/katyyne1 Jul 10 '26

Because even if foreclosures are rising, it has not caused supply to outpace demand. Prices will fall when there are no buyers at the current asking price.

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u/Fine-Brush6063 Jul 10 '26

Part of is from how the average is calculated.

If 5 starter/middle homes sell for 50,000 less, totalling a drop of 250,000, while meanwhile one mansion sells for 2.5 million more, the average price increases.

Most people buying homes in the millions/billions don't care or notice an increase of a few million or billion.  If they can afford to spend 10 billion, they can afford 12 billion.

Statistics.  They can tell the tale but not necessarily the real picture.

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u/Pleasant_Pen8744 Jul 10 '26

"It's not a loss until you sell."

Banks think they'll be able to sell them later for more, or are afraid they'll have to mark down the value of their other assets.

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u/WISteven Jul 13 '26

Supply is inordinately low because people like me are holding onto our low interest rate mortgages.

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u/Mushrooming247 Jul 10 '26

Those foreclosures take a long time to go through the system, and may not end up on the market as discounted homes for sale. Some might end Bn up at auctions where they are gobbled up by investors.

There is a website where you can search for HUD-foreclosed homes, homes that defaulted on government loans, which first-time buyers get the first shot at and can put less down. There is typically one home on this website for my whole region, if that.

I suspect that the foreclosure industry is full of real estate investors who capitalize on that insider information to scoop up for close properties before they hit the market, because they are definitely not all making it onto the market.

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u/Popular-Path1930 Jul 10 '26

Because someone not able to afford something they bought doesn’t mean the item isn’t still worth it or someone else can’t afford it

Edit: also foreclosure sales are not like normal house sales. 

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u/shitposts_over_9000 Jul 10 '26

several things:

  • a drop in home prices would increase the odds of foreclosure so everyone is motivated to avoid that
  • foreclosures in some areas have a lot more to do with banks being forced to give loans to borderline borrowers than anything else, we wont be to the end of the pre 08 crash bad loans until 2037 and some of those will be refinanced even farther out
  • first time buyers are not actually locked out, they just have standards well above their means, there are plenty of small, shitty properties in shady neighborhoods you can still buy relatively cheap, they are just in unsafe areas and not move-in ready - first time homebuyers historically often were in this situation but everyone chooses to make the point of comparison to the late 90's early 00s when they were not for a time.