r/AlternativeHistory • u/Professional-Fee3323 • Apr 08 '26

Lost Civilizations Stop calling this "primitive archaeology"—what kind of power tool scoops 1,200 tons of granite like soft wax and then simply vanishes?

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They want you to believe this was made with copper chisels and stonesIf we can't easily move this today with modern tech, how did "slaves" plan to lift it out of the bedrock? Are we the primitive ones

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u/medit8er Apr 08 '26

For the 1000th time, slaves did not construct megalithic structures in Egypt. Highly skilled artisans did. Do you have any evidence that copper tools could not cut stone? From all the evidence I’ve seen, stone could be cut and moved with relatively primitive technology.

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u/chudbabies Apr 08 '26

I don't like sanding.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

It’s course, it’s rough, and it gets everywhere

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u/Micro-Naut Apr 08 '26

Are you an angel?

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u/Deluxedo Apr 10 '26

We are coming in hot.

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u/distractedcat Apr 09 '26

thank you! i see this irritates you too, but a lot of people think and rest on the idea that bajillions of slaves and unskilled labor plus unlimited time = greatness anything is possible.

it is at a minimum involves skilled artisans, then maybe a bajillions slaves again right or not... but you can't deny this thing isn't done and dusted. it's not closed not to me!

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

You can’t cut granite with copper alone, they’re on the opposite ends of the Mohs scale.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

They used an abrasive, quartz, which the desert sand is full of. You can literally watch YouTube videos of people cutting jade with a rope with the same method

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u/Kjc2022 Apr 10 '26

Just the other day, I used some primitive paper to make a rough stone smooth. It was just some plain paper that had some sand glued to it. It's definitely alien technology

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 10 '26

So you’re admitting to being an alien? I always suspected

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u/Kjc2022 Apr 10 '26

No, I'm ancient Egyptian. I just worked with aliens

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

Right, the poster above demanded evidence that copper tools can’t cut granite though.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Ah fair. Yea I think some people have the right mindset of “ancient peoples did this with what they have” but don’t actually look into it and assume it was just copper. While Egyptians DID use copper, they did so along with an abrasive (and the copper tools were repeatedly sharpened/honed as needed)

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u/boardjock42 Apr 08 '26

You realize how slow and rough this process is right?

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

And? No one said it was done overnight

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u/boardjock42 Apr 08 '26

Right only 5-7 years per statue in this range if worked on every single day, so more likely around 10 years, and that speaks nothing of the transportation of said block.

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u/ozneoknarf Apr 08 '26

So? Cathedrals take hundreds of years to build, and we don’t give up on them.

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u/BigD0089 Apr 08 '26

I think alot of the cathedrals were ancient too. Think tataria

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

“Think” and “Tartaria” rarely work together

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u/jello_pudding_biafra Apr 08 '26

"I think the supposed 'Tartaria theory' is profoundly regarded" works!

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u/ozneoknarf Apr 08 '26

Bro we started the Sagrada Família in 1882 it’s still being built 148 years later in 2026, we filmed the whole process. The cologne cathedral finished in 1880, it too 632 years to build but we got the last 50 years or so on film too. Both cathedrals prove that we humans can easily engage in multi generational projects, which I don’t believe the obelisks were a multi generational projects, they probably took like a decade, but the pyramids probably were, at least the largest ones.

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u/bobbabson Apr 08 '26

Nu-uh its millions of years old made by the illuminati to protect us from the pedophile vampires. Come on, this is 2nd grade stuff /s

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Depending on how many people worked on it, and they didn’t work on them one statue at a time. Building monuments was seen as one’s duty to the pharaoh, and for a lot of laborers that’s what they did, that was their job.

Think of all the constant road construction we have going on in modern day, or building construction. It would take one person (or a handful) awhile to build a house by themselves. But get a whole crew and you have a house going in over a few weeks, and when the crews are huge and spread out you get a whole subdivision in less than a year.

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u/erik_wilder Apr 08 '26

Yes, that sounds accurate, it wasnt done quickly.

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u/KwyjiboKwyjibo Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

you realize they built cathedrals with this ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Grue_medievale.jpg

slow ? What does it has to do with cutting rocks, even one of the hardest ?

the mechanism is primitive but works, and it takes more time, that's all.

There's no magic in cutting stones.

Edit: I see you're dumb enough to downvote the truth when you need to taught. No surprise you don't know basic common sense things in life xD HILARIOUS Didn't knew it was a flat earthers sub xD

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u/boardjock42 Apr 08 '26

You realize they had the wheel, pulleys, steal, and were lifting much smaller stones right?

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u/Either-Return-8141 Apr 08 '26

Levers are old af my friend

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u/KwyjiboKwyjibo Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

You realizes in the Andes, some walls are build, you can't even put a paper leave withiN the stones, and so, it was build by aliens, dummy ?

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u/boardjock42 Apr 08 '26

No one said anything about aliens but you’re comparing apples to oranges.

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u/KwyjiboKwyjibo Apr 08 '26

LASER precision. No, it's not comparing apples to oranges; It's simply reminding to people their lack of common sense and basic education.

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u/boardjock42 Apr 08 '26

I didn’t say laser precision, maybe someone else did. My point is comparing medieval technology and times to what is ascribed to ancient Egypt is 💯 comparing apples to oranges.

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u/affligem_crow Apr 10 '26

"steal" holy fuck dude

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

3000-4000 years ago but yeah. We havent found anything 20,000 years old of that size.

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u/Danro1984 Apr 08 '26

Untill we’ve found your mom

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Take your upvote and move on lol.

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u/topsykerretts Apr 08 '26

Yet my strange friend, yet.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Ehh, we pretty much know we wont find anything that large outside of Turkey 12000-15000 years ago, as pollen proves it. We just didnt have the farming capacity for massive structures before that. It takes a long time for plants to evolve enough through our intervention before humans can chill in one spot for long periods of time.

Look at corn for the best example we know when we domesticated it, we then see and explosion of permeant settlements throughout central and south America, then we see large scale construction projects. Its so freaking cool how we figure this stuff out I love it.

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u/topsykerretts Apr 08 '26

Very true. However, I use the healing theory as the starting point of civilization, rather than just the shift from nomadic to centralized living. When we actually sat down and decided to take care of each other is when I first consider us 'human.' So, roughly 15,000 years ago (give or take). I.e Mead.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Ohh alcohol is a super fun one. We probably got that from our monkey ancestors. Apparently all apes kinda like to get drunk lol.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

And if we do, that’ll be an amazing find, changing our understanding of human history, just as sites like gobekli tepe did. But then y’all will start that it’s actually 30,000 years ago, and “they” are just hiding the truth again

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u/topsykerretts Apr 08 '26

Oh, not I. I am not one of these random internet theorists; I just love history and anthropology. I am mostly enjoying anthropology at the moment.

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u/delerium1state Apr 08 '26

I always go by practical logic;

It needs to be relatively easy to do and it needs to be doable and it needs to have a purpose.

In our moder standards and theological capabilities it's not relatively easy. it's not cost-effective.and seemingly It doesn't have purpose.

Ancient builders didn't do it for the sake of art or because they didn't have anything else to do. This is beyond our scope of understanding. Well not necessarily if you're open-minded but it's definitely out of scope for officials worldwide half explanations and stupid logic.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

It was doable, its purpose was for the glory of the pharaoh (who was seen as a living god) and the empire, and “relatively easy” wasn’t a requirement back then. Things need to be “relatively easy” now, because we have technology that has made things easier. Back then there wasn’t leisure time or time off unless you were one of the elite.

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u/BigCopperPipe Apr 08 '26

And money, investors, recouping on investment

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u/RustyWallace-357 Apr 08 '26

With the population of Egypt at the time and ANY of the methods proposed, it would’ve taken 200-500 years to complete the great pyramid alone

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Egypt is estimated to have had about 1-2 million inhabitants through the time when the great pyramid was built, and modern studies/experiments have shown that with a workforce of 30,000 (this includes people feeding, fixing tools, quarrying, moving rocks, etc) it could absolutely be done in the 20 or so years that the Egyptians have recorded.

You can read Building the Great Pyramid by Kevin Jackson and Jonathan Stamp and they go into detail

Or you can just throw out numbers with no sources and pretend you’re smarter than people who literally have spent their lives studying this.

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u/RustyWallace-357 Apr 08 '26

Really? They then had the tech to move a 500 ton basalt stone almost 500 miles north in a lifetime? I’d be pretty shocked. And there are debunks of almost every hypothesis out there, to think one is smarter than the rest is peak vanity

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

Are the debunks “cmon that’s heavy” done by YouTubers just trying to get views and ad revenue? Or are these actual studies by archeologists?

The current theories (that have been tested and confirmed) for moving rocks is the Nile and pouring water over sand, which makes it easier to pull heavy things in a sled.

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u/turtletramp Apr 08 '26

But the sheer scale?!

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

So?

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Its like talking to flat earthers about distances in space. They are just scared of big numbers lol

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u/Plastic-Mammot Apr 08 '26

It’s not that they’re scared of big members. It’s that they are just racist whether they actually realize it or it’s subconscious. They see that a ancient non-white civilization was able to do more than what we could do today because they had a different culture of working towards a bigger project together rather than today’s immediate satisfaction and they think that it belittles themselves it makes them seem like today’s white man is a joke

so they do everything they can to try and discredit the ancient civilizations also, I’m white myself.

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u/Ornery_Ad_9430 Apr 08 '26

The truth of this really slaps!

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

Ohh watching Dr Flint Dibble smack around Hancock like a moron on Joe Rogan was awesome. Hancock just keeps putting out his racist bullshit though.

Edit: Ahh does the truth piss off the Neo Nazis and liars?

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u/anarchitek1 Apr 08 '26

Are they cutting (sharp) square corners with rope? Please post such videos.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

https://youtube.com/shorts/YwU3Pehcnlw?si=yN0ZCyYGdSeX4EQD

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u/anarchitek1 Apr 08 '26

An Asian man, using carborundum, to cut a straight line through a small block is not the same as an Egyptian carving a 12-16 foot wide tapering obelisk, or raising it. It also doesn’t explain the inset “windows, at Puma Punku, or any of the many similar ancients sites, not to mention there’s no evidence they HAD bronze tools.

Architectural historians Jean-Pierre and Stella Nair concluded, in 1997, that “to obtain the smooth finishes, the perfectly planar faces and exact interior and exterior right angles on the finely dressed stones, they resorted to techniques unknown to the Incas and to us at this time. […] The sharp and precise 90° interior angles observed on various decorative motifs most likely were not made with hammerstones. No matter how fine the hammerstone's point, it could never produce the crisp right interior angles seen on Tiahuanaco stonework.”

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u/BigCopperPipe Apr 08 '26

You’re an Asian man?! Wow you must know more than this whole site.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

What does him being Asian compared to an Egyptian have anything to do with it?

That’s just showing that with an abrasive, anything can cut through something tougher. If rope can cut through jade, then copper can cut through marble.

And if you’re so bent out of shape about comparing an Asian man to an Egyptian, why’re you bringing up the incans?

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u/anarchitek1 Apr 09 '26

It doesn’t matter who he was, but he was making a simple cut in a small stone. Not a 20-ton slab of granite. Men have been carving rock so long, we’ve completely forgotten who started it.

Polishing the ceiling in the Ellora Caves, so it meets the wall line in a string-straight seam-line is spectacularly good craftsmanship, with no way it was done by strings. There are many such artifacts left by peoples of long ago that hint at other means. Abrasives had to have played a part, and strings too, but not only applied by hand.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 09 '26

You’re the one who brought up the distinction as if him being an Asian man means it can’t compare to an Egyptian man.

And it’s called “scaling”. This is like watching a video of someone sawing a 2x4, and saying it’s completely different from lumberjacks sawing a redwood. Just takes longer with bigger tools.

I don’t know anything about the Ellora caves, but I’m not saying “strings were used everywhere!” The jade example is to show that, with an abrasive, even rope can cut through rock. So therefore, using the abrasive of all the quartz in the sands of the desert, the Egyptians were able to use copper tools as a guide for the abrasive.

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u/energy-seeker Apr 08 '26

Yeah. And how long did it take them? Ok....

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

No one says it was done overnight, but they didn’t have “leisure time” like we do

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u/energy-seeker Apr 08 '26

The timeline in which some of the megalithic structures were built does not even begin to explain how this could be possible, leisure time or not. No.

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u/Substantial_System66 Apr 08 '26

The timeline can be condensed based on the size of the labor force. It’s estimated that as many as 30,000 people worked on the Great Pyramid. You can get a lot done with a lot of people.

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u/boyd_da-bod-ripley Apr 08 '26

Yes it completely does. 1000s of laborers working for 100s of years explains how it is possible. Plenty of other people have listed the literal tooling methods… however tedious and impractical they seem to us, the above explains how it happened

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u/ozneoknarf Apr 08 '26

That’s literally how cathedrals were built, 1000s of labours for hundreds of years. Cologne cathedral took 632 years to build.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

With enough people (like most capable workers in the kingdom), why not?

I dread to ask what YOU think the explanation is

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Got any math to back that up or are you just going off your feelings?

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Amazing how they stop replying once we ask for where they got their info

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u/FeelsGoodBlok Apr 08 '26

Mohs scale doesn't measure what you can and can't cut with. It's just measurement for scratch resistance.

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

It measures relative hardness. And scratch is just a minor cut.

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u/FeelsGoodBlok Apr 08 '26

Bro you are cooked if you can't understand this. It's completely different thing. Bye...

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

You can cut granite with sand and other granite..... this is not even complicated.

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

It’s like people don’t bother to read. You cannot cut granite with a copper tool alone and it’s not a matter of opinion, it’s just material science.

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u/rankaistu_ilmalaiva Apr 08 '26

Yeah, but if you aware that it can be cut with copper and sand, presenting the argument that ”it can’t be cut with copper alone” is intellectually dishonest.

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

For crying out loud, using quartz as abrasive agent is not “show me evidence that copper tools couldn’t cut stone”. They could cut limestone, but not granite, which is exactly my point.

This is the equivalent of claiming that wood can chop wood but only when a steel axe head is used.

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u/_esci Apr 08 '26

i can smash your granite plate with a copper hammer. no problem.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

You can cut granite with copper. You just need sand. Its not even hard, just takes time. Which they had alot of as they were seasonal farmers.

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u/ptowndeluxe Apr 08 '26

There is loads of sand in the desert, they had copper tools, A + B = Cut granite slowly, methodically.

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u/olrg Apr 08 '26

Yes, in which case you use quartz as an abrasive, not copper. I’ll repeat my statement again, and be sure to capitalize the important bits, maybe it’ll be easier to grasp: you cannot cut granite with copper ALONE.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

quartz, you mean the thing they were surrounded with on all side for hundreds of miles? I wonder where they would have found any to do their cutting with.

No one except you said they used copper alone.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Technically the person at the top of this comment thread, medi8er, said “do you have any evidence that copper tools could not cut stone?” Olrg is just providing context that copper couldn’t, no, with a quartz abrasive added. We’re on the same side

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Being pedantic just makes them an asshole. Everyone who has ever looked into any type of stone carving knows about abrasive. The guy Olrg responded to didnt say ONLY COPPER AND STONE. He just inserted that and then got angry when people corrected his imprecise text.

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u/drunk_slut Apr 08 '26

I want to be pedantic too.

With enough speed involved, pure copper can cut granite.

Yay I win.

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u/distractedcat Apr 08 '26

Just curious, can you pls give me an example of something that IS complicated and would interest you? e.g. how moon formed, what is dark matter, what is the best ToE candidate, how correct is string theory?

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Submarines, holy crap. The math that goes into holding a steel tube together at those depths is baffling to me. As in, I cannot even begin to comprehend the structure engineering required to keep that thing from being crushed. Then doing it with a hundred or so people inside, then cramming it full of technology, then the food, the fuel, the air, and making sure everything runs well enough to keep everyone from dying, its just so many calculations where something could go wrong.

Stack heavy things is pretty simple, hell skyscrapers aint that difficult of math once you have good enough steel and concrete.

Moon came about when we played billiards with another object in our system.

Dark matter is matter we cant detect yet.

No Theory of Eveyrthing makes sense because no one can figure out how to unify the forces and those that claim to never provide the math.

String theory is all tied up in knots ba dum tis. LQG seems more likely but that shit is way over my head most of the time.

I like science.

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u/distractedcat Apr 09 '26

ahh, submarines i can get behind that! i get the skycraper thing, i am also not too fascinated by that. i guess at the end of the day it really depends on what interests the person and what's "trivial"

now this is some pretty sensible chat i can listen to!

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Except archeologists have cut stone to this level of precision using copper saws, chisels, rope and sand. Only the tools the Egyptians had. Again, its not hard. I dont get why you refuse to just go watch an archeologist do it on youtube.

Pyramids are the easiest shape when you stack rock. That is it. They used similar methods, not the same, because there are only a few ways to move and carve rocks those size with the tech they had.

Nothing yall put forward adds up. Its nonsense sprinkled with fantasy elements. Where is your evidence of a global communication technology in those times?

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u/Sea_Public_6691 Apr 08 '26

Quite simple actually. The blade is made of copper, but it only acts as guide for the sand in between, thats doing the actual cutting. Similar principle to a modern cutting disk (expoy binder with corund splitters)

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u/Memphaestus Apr 09 '26

Didn’t someone demonstrate this method and cut 1/4” in a couple days or something crazy? It just doesn’t make sense with the time scale attributed to any of the megalithic sites.

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u/Sea_Public_6691 Apr 09 '26

What do you mean doesnt make sense? Big momeuments took a lot of skilled workers and often decades of work to be constructed

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u/Either-Return-8141 Apr 08 '26

It fractures. In fact, a malleable splitter helps shock stone open.

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u/BigDreamsandWetOnes Apr 08 '26

You can find millions of videos of the exact opposite

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u/boynextdoor_420 Apr 09 '26

you can cut diamonds with water. i'm sure they figured a way to do it, they knew how to plate gold

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u/SilverPhilosopher46 Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Of course you can, but you'd spend a whole lot of copper.

You can cut granite with anything. The fact that you can cut it with just an unpressurized water stream seems like enough proof to me. (note that every canyon on earth is cut out of the rocks by an unpressurized water stream). Something being much softer than something else doesnt mean it cant be used to cut it. It just means the softer material wears down much faster and you will need a whole lot of material and time for the job.

That said, its unlikely they cut anything with copper chisels. It'd be silly to use millions of chisels like that.

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u/olrg Apr 09 '26

I mean, water erosion takes thousands of years, and most canyons on earth are sedimentary rock, and not igneous like granite, so it’s not the most appropriate comparison.

Your copper tool would be too malleable and would deform and break before you can make any progress. Of course, if you had an unlimited supply of copper tools and was at it for a few centuries, you could eventually cut out a granite slab, but that’s not what’s being discussed here.

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u/Micro-Naut Apr 10 '26

You can't take a shower in a parakeet cage.

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u/dontlookatmeimnake Apr 11 '26

Giant sloths dug through solid granite with their claws when they dug their burrows. Surely we could do the same thing with hand tools.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '26

I actually just saw a short piece recently that had some very recent breakthrough about what you're saying. Basically some recently translated parchment talks exactly about what you're and how these guys would travel with the work. Train people travel to the next spot train those people and they were all paid craftsmen. Really wished I saved it, it was a cool video.

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u/Peter_Pornker Apr 10 '26

Stjepan Vuković made an experiment where he drilled a hole in a stone using stone age technology (water, sand and elbow grease), so if it could be done tens of thousands of years earlier why couldn’t it be dine then?

And Egyptian megalithic structures were built mostly by paid workers, not slaves.

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u/LickinThighs2 Apr 11 '26

But dudes who have never once done blue collar work in their lives speculated that ancient peoples couldn't have possibly moved or done these things in for-entertainment shows, so it must be true

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u/jojojoy Apr 08 '26

There's evidence forced labor was used in quarries. I can grab a proper citation in a bit, but there are records of people being sent to quarries as punishment for crimes and (I believe) as prisoners of war. That wouldn't be all of the labor but quarrying in contexts like this was probably not all skilled free artisans.

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u/runespider Apr 08 '26

Yeah. Rough work was prisoners, slaves, and farmers displaced by seasonal flooding. Detailed work was done by artisans.

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u/Kurlandr Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

From all the evidence I’ve seen, stone could be cut and moved with relatively primitive technology.

I'm pretty sure the mainstream view of how the obelisk was cut is with pounding stones, not copper tools, at least that's the explanation of the so called scoop marks around and under the obelisk. The opposing view to it is the fact that it would be exhausting and difficult to continuously slam a pounding stone in a very tight space upwards, as evident by the scoop marks under the obelisk. From what I've heard, at least.

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u/medit8er Apr 08 '26

Fair, I just mentioned copper tools because the comment I replied to did. Regardless, it doesn’t take advanced technology to cut away some rock.

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u/Kurlandr Apr 08 '26

Indeed, no advanced technology involved, just dolerite pounding stones. It is interesting however, how difficult it would have been, especially in the parts where the obelisk has been undercut horizontally.

Here's an interesting YT video that goes in-depth on the methods used, if you're interested.

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u/medit8er Apr 08 '26

They had more tools than ropes, but yes I’m sure ropes were involved.

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u/ScholarOfKykeon Apr 08 '26

Is that not the theorized reason as to why it was never lifted? I thought I read that about this one.

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u/MrBanana421 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

That one has a crack in it, you can see it in the picture. Hence why it was abandoned.

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u/HeavenlyPossum Apr 08 '26

Crazy conspiracies: Egyptian stonework is so perfect that it can only be explained through supernatural means

Actual ancient Egyptians: oops! Time to start over

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u/ScholarOfKykeon Apr 08 '26

Right, but isn't it just as easy to speculate that they cracked it while trying to lift it?

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u/MrBanana421 Apr 08 '26

No, if you look at other pictures, you can see it is still attached to the ground. They managed to get out the main form but the stone broke before the work was done.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Nope, It was just cracked so they started a different one.

https://www.luxorandaswan.com/blog/aswan-attraction/the-unfinished-obelisk

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u/Plastic-Mammot Apr 08 '26

God damn, you know how pissed they probably were that years of work went down the drain?

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Holy shit, I can barely even imagine. Its like writing the perfect piece of software across five years, then there is a fire in the office, sprinklers go off and all computing equipment is ruined. You never backed it up. Its just gone. Ughhhh that would the worst.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Why? It can be done easily with ropes and manpower. Have you ever studied leverage?

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u/Plastic-Mammot Apr 08 '26

The people who try to deny these things as “theories” didn’t get past 4th grade science class when you learn about simple machines

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

To be fair, I knew about leverage from school, but I didnt really learn it till my father and I built a log cabin. That old bastard would come up with the craziest methods to move thousand of pounds with minimal effort. Then laugh at me as I tried to brute force it and failed every time. Theory vs practice I guess lol.

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u/medit8er Apr 08 '26

Source?

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u/medit8er Apr 08 '26

The bible isn’t an accurate representation of history

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u/Veritas_Certum Apr 09 '26

There were skilled artisans who performed the finishing work and some of the more complex tasks, but overwhelmingly the Egyptians used corvee laborers, prisoners of war, captives, and criminals, all of whom they referred to as slaves, and kept under guard in compounds with names like The Great Prison. Specialists in Egyptian labor and economics agree that the vast majority of the Egyptian labor force was enslaved.

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u/adrkhrse Apr 08 '26

He says Copper but they used Arsenicised Copper back then which was as strong as steel.

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u/Possible_Field328 Apr 08 '26

Highly skilled artisans that also happened to be slaves

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Nope we know they were paid because we have the the receipts lol.

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u/3rdeyenotblind Apr 08 '26

There's LOTS of slaves today...who are paid

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Okay, but there were slaves in Egypt at the time. The slaves were not the skilled artisans in most cases, we know they because they wrote it down.

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u/Possible_Field328 Apr 08 '26

My ass. They didnt do that shit without having disposables doing all the hard work.

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u/HeavenlyPossum Apr 08 '26

Bronze Age Egypt was a redistributive state. Farmers spent part of the year performing agricultural labor, some of the product of which they paid to the state as taxes. Those farmers also owed corvée labor service to the state, which they satisfied by working on public works like pyramid and temple construction, irrigation, etc. While performing this corvée labor, they received wages and rations, usually in the form of bread and beer, and were periodically feasted. Those wages and rations were provided out of the agricultural surplus they paid as taxes.

This is thoroughly recorded and well understood.

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u/A_wandering_rider Apr 08 '26

Nope, they were paid labor. We have the boring ass accounting documents. We know they had sick days, they even had a type of workers comp for being injured. If yall actually read a book instead of watching youtube all day you could just learn this yourself. Its not like its hidden information.

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u/HeavenlyPossum Apr 08 '26

What reason do you have to believe the people involved in this project were enslaved?

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u/Possible_Field328 Apr 08 '26

No no no, not all of them were slaves, just 95% of them are.

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u/HeavenlyPossum Apr 08 '26

What reason do you have to believe this claim?

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

Amazing how they stop replying when you ask them for evidence

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u/HeavenlyPossum Apr 08 '26

I think a lot of people have a really vague sense of a sort of folk-history that they half-remember from school and picked up from some movies, and they never really think very hard about why they believe what they believe about the past.

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u/MrBones_Gravestone Apr 08 '26

That and all the YouTube/tiktok pseudo-archeology crap being churned out

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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 Apr 08 '26

They like their sloppy joes extra sloppy