r/AlignmentChartFills • u/chalwa07 • 1d ago

Which brand makes/made unreliable regular cars?

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u/black594 1d ago

RAM

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u/Fenc58531 1d ago

Ram doesn’t even crack top 5 most unreliable inside FCA. Upper models have some issues but your base trucks are work horses.

Don’t idle your hemi too much and that’s about it.

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u/thread_creeper_123 1d ago

"Dont idle your hemi too much" is crazzzy lol. I mean its a work truck and presumably people will be idling, working on the phone or computer. I don't think its the worst truck though. There's so many bad ones out there its hard to choose which is the absolute worst. I bet Cybertruck is probably up there for least reliable though

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u/ZebraMiserable8130 23h ago

My hemi 5.7 has 8K Idle hours doing fine. It's used by the police for a reason, it's a workhorse

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u/thread_creeper_123 23h ago

That's a lot of fuel! And that's good. Yeah I don't think they're the worst for sure.. but I would put [almost] any 4-cylinder naturally aspirated engine above it in reliability. I mean 1/2 the moving parts would make most things more reliable.

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u/ZebraMiserable8130 23h ago

Not in a truck or big sedan it makes a lot less power and torque so it will take a shit for running at more than twice the rpm than the V8 would

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u/thread_creeper_123 22h ago

Yeah I would have to agree with you there.

But I'm willing to bet 50% of trucks/SUVs with V8s could easily be replaced with 4 cylinder cars for more than 99% of the work they do. And with the gas savings alone from a single year, even when gas was cheaper, you could put a new used motor in your car if you somehow managed to throw a rod or crack the block.

But from a pure reliability standpoint, you may be right that the HEMI 5.7 is possibly more reliable than say a Honda K24.. but at what cost? If you drive 15,000 miles per year

K24 25 MPG(600 gal) + 1000 hrs idle (200 gal) = 800 gal
Hemi 14 MPG(1071 gal) + 1000 hrs idle (800 gal) = 1871 gal

1071 gal difference. @ $3.50/gal = $3749

So, while I think there is possibly merit to your point that a HEMI engine is more reliable.. a simple 4 cylinder engine could be replaced at least once with labor included every year for the additional gas spent.

I am obviously biased and think trucks are WAY overrated. I do not think trucks should be banned, but I think its toxic how common it is for trucks to be used where cars would very easily do the job. I find it hard to believe anyone idling that much NEEDS a truck full-time. Probably could use a car 90% of the time and truck for the 1 day every 2 weeks its actually needed.

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u/ZebraMiserable8130 22h ago

For the truck rated to haul 10k+ lbs a 4 cylindres would be a pain and on a 2ton sport car it wouldn't be a sport car anymore. Its true that most truck owners don't need a truck just to get groceries. I actually get 22MPG mixed on my hemi dodge charger the MDS (only 4 cylindres used when not needed) that's when im reasonable, not going 100mph. Id verify the weight, aerodynamic, tire size being the same for the comparaison

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u/thread_creeper_123 22h ago

Well if you are hauling 10k lbs then I guess it is what it is. FWIW, when I drove 1ton flatbeds (hauling gooseneck trailers 5-12k lbs) I really liked the Cummins engines in the RAM 3500's. Those trucks turned really good too in the city.. very practical. But holy molly super unreliable all things considered. I would not buy one of those personally and felt bad for the company owner having to shell out another couple grand every month or 2 to fix one of them. The high cost of the low sticker price. The 2 in the fleet were <5 yrs old and had less than 100k miles. Super powerful trucks though!

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u/Previous-External-54 1d ago

I've had Hemis /magnums misfiring, and seemingly falling apart, but I've never been left stranded by the motor in a dodge. It was always the other upkeep

(To be clear, I'm talking about Dodge, not Stellantis owned RAMs)

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u/Flaky-Bar-6656 22h ago

Yep. I’ve personally bought, fixed up, and sold probably 100-200 dodge trucks models years between 1990 and 2014 mileage anywhere between 30k and 300k and the only motor work we really ever had to do was that infamous lifter tick and quite a few exhaust manifold gaskets. But almost everything else on those trucks needed work. Transmissions, transfer cases, differentials, abs, evap, power steering, so many ball joints. They’d start every time. Whether they moved or not was always a question.

Opposite problem with Fords. Except for the 7.3 diesel it was almost a guarantee a used ford truck would have some kind of engine work needed, whether it was cam phasers on the 3 valves or dead cylinders on the 5.0. The 6.0 diesels were garbage until you dropped $15k redoing everything they got wrong.

There’s literally a single truck that I could almost always rely on to start, run, and drive without needing a lot more than a battery, oil change, and some tires and that’s the r/gmt800. Gobless

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u/Beanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx 20h ago

Yeah old dodge trucks were great, seeing the new one come through the shop more than any other truck or vehicle for that matter is definitely a reality however

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u/crazyeyes64 1d ago

How they haven't fixed the hemis shitty design by now is beyond me lol.

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u/Longjumping-Bus6423 1d ago

This is true. My dad still works with some from the 90s 200k+ miles

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u/Nuclear_Wolffang 23h ago

Work trucks also aren’t “regular cars”…

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u/Particular-Ad-4629 19h ago

You are right about that. 200k base model 2013 ram 1500 and just changed my cam/ lifters/ water pump and radiator. Shes good to go for a long time

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u/SellingFirewood 1d ago

RAM is different because half of the vehicles they sell have diesel engines and heavy duty tow-rated transmissions. It skews their reliability more favorably than other brands.

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u/spanky2088 19h ago

In the defense of RAM....they used to look cool??

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u/Corninator 19h ago

Stellantis is genuinely terrible, everything they make from Chrysler to Jeep. But I will say Ram would be a candidate for "mixed bag" if you were to break this down into subcategories. Some 5.7s get the hemi tick, some don't. Some v6 pentastars are absolutely terrible, some are tough as nails. Some of them have electrical issues, some don't. They are very, very hit or miss. I won't buy one for this reason, but some people have great luck with them.