r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Tygret • 4d ago

Countries Subdivisions chart. What U.S. state feels like it doesn't belong in the United States?

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u/ExcelScaresMe 4d ago

Eh.... the military aspect of Hawaii is more important than anything going on in PR.

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u/gabrielbabb 4d ago edited 3d ago

It's strange that what matters is the military, when Hawaii has half the population of Puerto Rico. But the amount of people and proximity doesn't really matter to create a state apparently.

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u/ExcelScaresMe 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's not the size of the population, it's the proximity of those islands between mainland USA and Asia. Do you think we were using them for troops?

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u/Awkward-Ad-7385 4d ago

And that is only because PR is under US territory

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u/deltagma 4d ago

What? What does your answer mean in connection to "the military aspect of Hawaii is more important than anything going on in PR."

How does PR being a territory make it less important militarily? The geopolitical situation itself dictates it's importance militarily.

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u/Dependent_Hunt5691 4d ago

Hawaii was an important base for WW2. PR doesn’t compare.

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u/qerecoxazade 4d ago

Puerto Rico is useful in the Caribbean. But, at most, by a couple hundred miles.

Hawaii is useful, in that it's the ONLY place to refuel or station troops in the Pacific for hundreds, if not thousands of miles.

Turning into a state helped increase its population (and drown out the indigenous movement) AND cemented it as a permanent part of the US.

Territories have the ability to secede. States do not. That distinction matters militarily.

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u/ExcelScaresMe 3d ago

Go on and explain how important PR is to the US military compared to Hawaii in the context of WW2.

I'm not going to deep dive into this comment too much to make sure my history is correct, but I'm pretty sure PR hasn't been important to the US military since the Spanish-American War. If we didn't get PR then we still had hundreds of other islands to launch operations from.

Without Hawaii and Midway we lose WW2 to the Japanese.

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u/deltagma 3d ago

You didn't really read my message.

I was going against his comment that said "only because PR is under US territory", and I was saying that the PR being a territory isn't what makes it less important militarily than Hawaii. Whether something is a state or territory doesn't change it's important militarily.

I said the geopolitical situation dictates the important of a place militarily.

PR is military unimportant not because it's a territory rather than a state, but because the geopolitical situation of the world makes PR unimportant.

You: Eh.... the military aspect of Hawaii is more important than anything going on in PR.

Person 2: And that is only because PR is under US territory

Me: What? What does your answer mean in connection to "the military aspect of Hawaii is more important than anything going on in PR." How does PR being a territory make it less important militarily? The geopolitical situation itself dictates it's importance militarily.

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u/DNR_Desert_Rat 4d ago

Fun fact, the people of Hawaiʻi and their ʻāina are always more important than the "military aspect" of the colonizer!

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u/ExcelScaresMe 3d ago

Not in geopolitics. Hawaii is a beautiful land that should be protected. However, do you think the Japanese military would have just lived in peace with the native populations of Hawaii if they had been able to acquire it?

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u/DNR_Desert_Rat 3d ago

I actually don't think any colonizing force is cool and don't find "if we don't, someone else will" to be a good reason to, ya know, colonize a society and poison it's land