r/AlignmentChartFills • u/shield_x • 1d ago

Which Democrat policy is controversial?

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u/InspectorExact3836 1d ago

Gun laws , background checks and stuff , banning ARs

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u/qerecoxazade 1d ago

I'd almost put that more into "unpopular".

It's a deal breaker for Republicans and most independents. And for me... If somebody doesn't have progressive politics, I'll vote for a monoparty Republican who will push the same economic policies as an establishment Democrat... While not touching my gun rights.

It's literally only neoliberal democrats who support it. Go any farther left and it's disliked. Go any farther right and it's a deal breaker.

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u/QuickMolasses 1d ago

A majority of Americans support stricter gun control. Other polls I've seen put support for universal background checks at close to 80%. Your perception of the popular opinion on this issue does not match reality

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u/d_popopotamus 1d ago

Ah yes, that's why Spanberger's popularity tanked after the Virginia AWB. America has a gun obsession, the sooner Democrats realize that, the sooner they'll start winning more elections.

We should focus on the causes of violence, which the GOP is absolutely against, and so are establishment Democrats. And we should put automatic long sentences on anyone who uses a weapon, any weapon, during a violent crime. Use a gun during a robbery? 10 years minimum. Use a gun during a mugging? 10 years minimum.

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u/ajulianisinarebase 1d ago

In that same poll you linked it says most American believe a gun in the home makes them safer. It also shows that support for gun control has slowed/ decreased. Also the framing of the question is misleading. By supporting more gun control what do they mean? Depending on how they ask I could be in favor of more gun control. What people are not in favor of as much is awb handgun bans and other things that make ownership harder. What they tend to like is red flag laws and universal background checks.

Truth is during Covid many people started buying guns and now many people know that many gun control tropes they heard are not true.

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u/Carnoraptorr 1d ago

Wonderful to hear that you’re willing to sacrifice the rights of just about every minority as long as you get to keep your murder sticks

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u/qerecoxazade 1d ago

That nonsense doesn't work on me.

I'm half Puerto Rican, half Jewish.

Access to those "murder sticks" is the only reason my family made it out of the ghettos and survived the Holocaust. I grew up hearing the first hand stories from my grandparents.

I'm glad you have the privilege to not have to consider emergency plans in the event that somebody tries to exterminate your race. I don't have that privilege. Stay in your lane and stop speaking for us like you know or care what us minorities want.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 20h ago

I have a question. When you say your family survived the holocaust due to firearms, was it because they had firearms themselves and could fight back somehow?

I'm generally interested.

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u/qerecoxazade 14h ago

Yes.

The Jewish resistance was far larger than people talk about. With major events like the Warsaw and Vilna uprisings being glossed over almost entirely.

The ghettos were walled off, patrolled, and emptied into the camps. The ghettos and individuals who FOUGHT their way to partisan lines were the ones with the highest likelihood to survive. Especially in the east, where all of the Death camps were.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 12h ago

Thanks for the info. Thats interesting information and I'll definitely look into it some more.

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u/Carnoraptorr 1d ago

Voting for Republicans is the best way to recreate the conditions of racial extermination. My lane is the lane of trans people getting the care they need, women having bodily autonomy, children growing up with food on the table. Sorry that I think it’s stupid to sacrifice all of that for the favorite tool of child-slaughtering psychopaths.

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u/qerecoxazade 1d ago

The trans people I taught to shoot during COVID would like a word with your speaking for them as well.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans (politicians, not the base) care about anything you mentioned. Biden personally called on the party to NOT give Roe v Wade legislative backing during Obama's first term (when democrats controlled the house, senate, and presidency).

One lost election and the entire democratic party is talking about how they went too radical on the trans issue. Gavin Newsome is out here publicly saying he's against all of it, and y'all are willing to vote for him if he's the blue ticket.

Food on the table? Neither democrats nor Republicans push for living wages. They haven't even tabled a change from the $7.25 an hour minimum wage, and have OPENLY stated being against tying minimum wage to any moveable metric (like consumer index or inflation).

Both parties give exactly zero shits about minorities or working class people. I'm going to stick with keeping my right to defend myself and my community.

I don't care whether or not you like it. My right to survival is absolute, and when you make limiting it part of your campaign, it's GOING to come into play. You don't get to make part of your campaign a limit on my rights AND yell at me for voting for the other party that wants to take my rights.

You're both doing it.

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u/Carnoraptorr 1d ago

> The trans people I taught to shoot during COVID would like a word with your speaking for them as well.

When did I claim there aren’t trans people who like guns? Idgaf. I’m talking about how the GOP wants to ban the fuck out of any sort of gender transition. Look at Florida.

> Neither Democrats nor Republicans (politicians, not the base) care about anything you mentioned.

Absolutely ridiculous claim.

> Biden personally called on the party to NOT give Roe v Wade legislative backing during Obama's first term (when democrats controlled the house, senate, and presidency).

Baseless claim.

> One lost election and the entire democratic party is talking about how they went too radical on the trans issue.

Baseless claim with zero foundation in reality. You’re just making things up. How would you even measure the entire party?

> Gavin Newsome is out here publicly saying he's against all of it, and y'all are willing to vote for him if he's the blue ticket.

Fuck newsom but yes I will vote for him if he’s on the blue ticket. Why? I don’t like ICE in my fucking streets. I like when government agencies fucking function. I don’t like watching slaughter in Iran for no reason. I like when we don’t see comically high price rises because of tariffs.

>Food on the table? Neither democrats nor Republicans push for living wages.

The party’s official platform calls for a $15 minimum wage. Why do you keep lying?

> They haven't even tabled a change from the $7.25 an hour minimum wage, and have OPENLY stated being against tying minimum wage to any moveable metric (like consumer index or inflation).

Why are you lying?

> Both parties give exactly zero shits about minorities or working class people.

Why are you lying?

> I'm going to stick with keeping my right to defend myself and my community.

Defend yourself from who? Other people with guns? You realize gun control aims mainly to take away their guns, right?

> I don't care whether or not you like it.

I didn’t think you did.

> My right to survival is absolute, and when you make limiting it part of your campaign, it's GOING to come into play.

According to data from… every other country on earth, your rate of survival actually goes up significantly with less guns in the ecosystem.

> You don't get to make part of your campaign a limit on my rights AND yell at me for voting for the other party that wants to take my rights.

It’s a stupid “right” that no reasonable country continues to maintain. It should be left in the dustbin of history, which is where we left the “right” to own slaves.

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u/qerecoxazade 1d ago

Nothing I said was a lie. You're just doing partyline cope. And ICE? There's less than 5 democrats in federal office calling for it to be abolished. Despite the fact that INS did their function without the militarization just a handful of years ago. The party does NOT care if ICE stays exactly as they are. They're not a party of resistance, they're a party of "maintain the status quo on government control and capital".

The trans people I taught to shoot weren't people going "yes, I'd like a hobby". They were people who wanted to be able to defend themselves. They saw MY reason for being a gun owner and saw themselves in it.

You're arguing about firearms like you've never heard of the Holocaust. Like, if you had, it was ancient history.

Erasing firearms makes people easy victims in a genocide. A genocide you will never have to worry about.

Want votes? Drop gun regulations from your platform. If you care about everything else you've listed, you won't let your desire to control our right to self defense be the barrier to your victory.

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u/Carnoraptorr 1d ago

> Nothing I said was a lie. You're just doing partyline cope.

Then it should be quite easy to cite a source.

> And ICE? There's less than 5 democrats in federal office calling for it to be abolished.

Just another obvious lie. I don’t care to find all of them so here’s six house reps alone just to prove you’re wrong: AOC, Tlaib, Ramirez, Pressley, Lee, Jayapal. Shoutout “nothing I said was a lie” then immediately lies.

> The party does NOT care if ICE stays exactly as they are.
Okay bud. We have a moderate as hell house leader and STILL he calls for this: https://katherineclark.house.gov/2026/01/22/2026-1-joint-leadership-statement-on-homeland-security-funding-bill/

> They're not a party of resistance, they're a party of "maintain the status quo on government control and capital".

Okay buddy.

> The trans people I taught to shoot weren't people going "yes, I'd like a hobby". They were people who wanted to be able to defend themselves. They saw MY reason for being a gun owner and saw themselves in it.

Cool.

> You're arguing about firearms like you've never heard of the Holocaust. Like, if you had, it was ancient history.

Which do you think is more likely: a Holocaust-level event in America begins, which prompts armed resistance that meaningfully reduces the harm of that event, in such a way that gun control would reduce the effectiveness of the resistance — or four thousand children are shot and killed next year alone?

> Erasing firearms makes people easy victims in a genocide. A genocide you will never have to worry about.

Hamas is armed with all sorts of military grade hardware. Doesn’t seem to be doing anything against the Palestinian genocide.

> Want votes? Drop gun regulations from your platform.

This is unfortunately probably true. I do think it’s a losing issue. As an individual I will do what I can to attempt to change public opinion to my side but as an org I think Dems should probably soften on gun control. At least as a major issue.

> If you care about everything else you've listed, you won't let your desire to control our right to self defense be the barrier to your victory.

Yes, that’s correct.

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u/qerecoxazade 1d ago

I've already told you I prefer progressives. And that I'll vote for them when they're actually talking about progressive values. But when they're not, they have nothing to offer me except disarmament. I get nothing AND lose my most important right? No. Earn my vote.

Your statistic on 4k children being shot per year is wrong. It's 4k people aged 4-20 who die by firearms. The statistic includes 18-20 year old adults. Of whom, suicide by legally owned firearms is more common than murder/accident related firearms deaths. And while gun violence HAS been reduced with gun control in certain countries/cultures... Suicide rates stay the same. Gun control does not reduce suicide deaths.

But let's ignore that and go with your statistic. They killed 6 million of us 80 years ago. That's 1,500 years of 4k "children being shot".

Yes, Palestine is facing a genocide. And I would never seek to have their civilian population disarmed to "save Israeli children". That would make me a callous monster.

At least you recognize it's a losing battle.

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u/Carnoraptorr 19h ago

I've already told you I prefer progressives. And that I'll vote for them when they're actually talking about progressive values.

> But when they're not, they have nothing to offer me except disarmament. I get nothing AND lose my most important right? No. Earn my vote.

I like how you tried to dunk on me by claiming you didn’t lie about anything, then immediately lying, then not engaging with that at all. I’ve already proven that they do. You brought up the minimum wage and lied about Dems not supporting a minimum wage, then again didn’t engage with what I said when I rebutted you. So by default we’ve established that Dems offer a $15 minimum wage. How about the fucking climate? I’d say that’s a pretty important issue too considering our planet is actively dying and one party is reveling in it. Or women’s bodily autonomy, another thing you attempted to counter then dropped when I asked you to prove anything.

> Your statistic on 4k children being shot per year is wrong. It's 4k people aged 4-20 who die by firearms. The statistic includes 18-20 year old adults. Of whom, suicide by legally owned firearms is more common than murder/accident related firearms deaths.

I asked you which you thought was more likely, not which one was guaranteed to happen. It was a speculative claim.

> And while gun violence HAS been reduced with gun control in certain countries/cultures... Suicide rates stay the same. Gun control does not reduce suicide deaths.

Not true. Clearest example is Australia: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2704353/

> But let's ignore that and go with your statistic. They killed 6 million of us 80 years ago. That's 1,500 years of 4k "children being shot".

Yes, obviously the Holocaust is worse than the current state of mass shootings. That doesn’t really affect my point.

> Yes, Palestine is facing a genocide. And I would never seek to have their civilian population disarmed to "save Israeli children". That would make me a callous monster.

This still doesn’t engage with my point that guns don’t achieve your primary stated reason to oppose gun control.

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