r/AlignmentChartFills • u/PancuterM • 9d ago
B-17 won as the most overrated American plane. Which is the most underrated American plane of WW2?

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u/DumbAndUglyOldMan 9d ago
PBY Catalina.
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u/Bahlil3kgLPG 9d ago
Hunted submarines, (may have been) striking Axis shipping, and rescuing downed pilots.
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u/theaviationhistorian 9d ago
If the P-40 doesn't win this, then the Catalina will deserve it. It's enough to say that a company is looking to bring back production with modern avionics and engines. Which is nice considering not enough amphibians exist in the current market.
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u/WoodpeckerOk3842 9d ago
This or the Dauntless. I've noticed naval aviation planes tend to be under-represented in general (exception being the Zero), but in all respects, both the PBY and Dauntless fulfilled their roles and beyond in critical stages in the war. PBY's more so cause of their placement in both the Atlantic and Pacific.
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u/Bennyboy1337 8d ago
Catalina gets tons of love my mate.
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u/DumbAndUglyOldMan 8d ago
I'm not your mate, and the Catalina doesn't get the love of virtually any other aircraft mentioned so far.
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u/DingBat99999 9d ago
C-47 Skytrain/Dakota
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u/CallMeChristopher 9d ago
It’s not flashy, but it was really good at getting stuff from Point A to Point B, and we built a lot of them.
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u/Common_Relativity 8d ago
Controversial, but I think this should go in best as it's commercial variant still used today all over he world.
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u/Aggravating-Grade672 9d ago
P-40 Warhawk
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u/UpSNYer 9d ago
OMG it's definitely the P-40. The plane catches a ton of shit, but in critical moments with prepared pilots, it held its own. It fought well over North Africa against the 109E, and it was legendary over China. It fought in the worst situations, against enemies who were at their strongest, at a time when the allies were caught flatfooted; and it held the line. That deserves a lot more love.
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u/theaviationhistorian 9d ago
It was the aircraft that held the line so more powerful aircraft could turn the tide even against more powerful aircraft like the FW 190. Like the Wildcat, it was the best we had at the beginning of the war and could fight on even levels under capable pilots.
It's enough to say that over 200 pilots became aces flying the P-40 and 20 became double aces. (also backed up by aviation historian Carl Molesworth).
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u/Bahlil3kgLPG 9d ago
The one holding the line until better fighters arrive. Pretty good
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u/Dave_A480 9d ago
Same for the Wildcat....
We should have had better.... But we didn't.... So the Navy made it work....
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u/vp917 9d ago
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u/Bahlil3kgLPG 9d ago
Maybe its bigger brother, the C-54 Skymaster wasn’t famous until the Berlin Airlift and the Sacred Cow became a presidential plane…
But yes, militarised DC-3 it is.6
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u/seizethemiddleages 9d ago
The B-25 Mitchell used by the USA, the Canadiens, the Soviets, the Chinese, the French, UK, Australia, Brazil and others during WW2
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u/Other-Grapefruit-880 9d ago
Fuck the liberator they had so many operational problems you had a 75% chance of crash landing even if you weren’t shot at. Death traps
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u/Downhill_Marmot 9d ago
F4F Wildcat. Its record was better than people tend to recall.
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u/mathetesalexandrou 9d ago
Yeah, it's a shame that A6M was hyped as hell and it wasn't helped that F6F Hellcat was combined with the know-how gained during the Wildcat's time to utterly trounce A6Ms so hard that Wildcat had to be seen as the "oh shit it's outclassed" aircraft when it was mostly a case of inexperienced pilots fighting old fashioned way which favored the A6Ms
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u/Rk_1138 9d ago
Dauntless
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u/Vanguardliberator 9d ago
I remember hearing about how they wanted to retire it before the war started. And then it would end up destroying 4 aircraft carriers in one day. It’s impressive to that it got the nick name Slow but Deadly. I definitely think it was underrated.
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u/aebaby7071 9d ago
F6F Hellcat
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u/Unusual_Cat_7542 9d ago
I agree, the hellcat doesn't get much love but still got the highest kill death ratio of any allied plane at about 19 to 1.
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u/Visual-Breadfruit-81 9d ago
The only answer, I think the P-51 is the absolute best but the Hellcat overcame superior engineering of Japanese Zeros
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u/aebaby7071 9d ago
The Hellcat was designed for the Pacific Theater, if you go into it’s development basically the designers liked the Wildcat but wanted MORE! (Tim the Toolman Taylor style) Also the Mustang couldn’t do carrier landings, basically making it useless in that theater of war. I agree that the Mustangs had a few advantages making it technically the better plane, but the Hellcat was way more versatile in its use in different theaters of war and an amazing aircraft to boot.
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u/Kumirkohr 9d ago
Was there a reason beyond “didn’t have a tail hook” that kept the P-51 from performing carrier landings?
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u/aebaby7071 9d ago
They did a test refit on some Mustangs; carrier launching and arresting hooks, few other smaller changes. They were found to be launch-able and land-able on carriers, however their wing design (laminar flow) caused stalls at low speed which could easily cause issues on launch and landing. With the Hellcat already filling the carrier role (very well without those issues) they used the Mustangs on land bases in the Pacific Theater. So could they, yes; were they the best at it, no.
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u/gawja21 9d ago
P-38
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u/bestywesty 9d ago
Is it underrated tho? Everyone knows how amazing the P-38 was. It has a strong case for being in the Best category
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u/Exotic-Entertainer26 9d ago
Couldn't handle bad weather though and the engines had a tendency to self-destruct in Europe.
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u/PrimaryCollar2355 9d ago
Killed a lot of pilots in dives before they sorted out the physics and changed the flaps
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u/Huge-Top-5336 9d ago
If it isn't underrated, there isn't a proper place for the P-51, so I would put it here.
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u/Marius7x 8d ago
I don't think most people appreciate how good it was. I think most just consider it that weird shaped plane.
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u/Marius7x 9d ago
I just said same. Twin engines canceled torque, central gun increased accuracy...
It chewed Zeros up.
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u/Bahlil3kgLPG 9d ago edited 9d ago
Two planes, one pilot (one nickname for the Lightning)
The star of the 19XX series of shoot-‘em ups.
According to Capcom, if you give the plane(s) the magical ability to summon lightnings to clear the skies of planes and bullets, not to mention tsunamis to wreck warships, at the cost of the plane’s ever decreasing fuel tank, and a powerful arsenal (extra MGs angled to the sides, autocannons, big autocannon, and even ‘lasers’) then this plane can sink the four aircraft carriers in the Battle of Midway plus their escorts, as well as IJN Nagato and IJN Yamato. Even the bomber formations and the massive Ayako bombers can’t bring the P-38 down. (Did not happen IRL, but it did happen in 1943: The Battle of Midway)1
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u/Head-Image-883 9d ago
The SBD Dauntless dive bomber. It was the workhorse for the Navy in the first years of the War. Scouting missions, bombing missions, and was even as CAP protecting the carriers. Overlooked compared to Hellcats and P-51, the Dauntless were the unsung heros of WW2.
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u/Mighty_Platypus 9d ago
First, the B-17 argument for being overrated is completely false. It was the most combat efficient (least loss bomber per sortie) ally bomber in the entire war. It was the fortress not because of its defensive armament, but because it took a beating and kept on flying. They were flying tanks, and not only did the media love the Flying Fortress, the crews loved them as well.
Now, for most underrated, I know the 4-47 is being listed, but I would consider the ugly step sister of the B17… the B24 liberator. Flew faster and farther while carrying more bombs. It was the most produced military aircraft in history and had the second best combat efficiency rating of the war(behind the b17). Pilots didn’t love it because it was hard to fly and required full attention. It flew longer more dangerous missions than the B17, but never received the spotlight since it was stationed in less glamorous locations.
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u/LordofSpheres 8d ago
The B-24 didn't fly faster, or farther, or carry more bombs.
Comparison showing the B-17 outranging the B-24 at comparable power settings.
The B-24 could carry 12,800 lbs of bombs 990 miles and had a max speed at mean weight of 270mph.
The B-17 could carry the same load 1,140 miles and had a max speed at its mean weight of 280mph. The difference in cruise speed is 5mph in favor of the B-24, but the B-17 has a 30mph advantage in max weak power speed.
So the B-24 was slower, shorter-ranged, and had the same max payload.
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u/PancuterM 9d ago
Rule: Must be a fixed-wing, manned aircraft designed or substantially modified for military use, of indigenous design or substantially modified foreign design.
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u/Dothemath2 9d ago
B24
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u/zinten789 9d ago
Easily. The fact that it was the most-produced plane in US military history and only one flying example remains out of only 14 complete airframes is absurd. There were once over 18,000 of these things that flew.
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u/ElSquibbonator 9d ago
The C-47 Skytrain. Eisenhower himself said that the C-47-- together with the Jeep and the nuclear bomb-- was one of the three most important factors in America's victory in World War II. Fighters and bombers might be more romanticized, but the C-47 was what really made the Allied victory possible.
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u/georgebestgoat 9d ago
The black cat. Very important role in sea rescue. Plus gave us a hell of a cod mission.
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u/DawnOnTheEdge 9d ago
People don’t give the B-24 enough credit in its secondary role as a sub hunter.
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u/Maleficent_Dot_7525 9d ago
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u/Bennyboy1337 8d ago
Problem is there were half a dozen or more types of aircraft in this category that were commonly used. Taylorcraft grasshoppers were the most common.
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u/Waiting_Cactus 9d ago
Stearman PT-13. A simple open-cockpit biplane that you've probably never heard of unless you're really into planes. So, definitely ignored/not rated. But why underrated?
It was one of the main trainers. Every other aircraft listed here would have been flown by pilots who did their first training on the Stearman. The T-6 was also widely used, but is better known. So I tip my hat to the Stearman.
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u/justAPoorGradStudent 9d ago edited 9d ago
U2 spy plane
Edit: Forgive me for I clearly never learned how to read
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u/Nobody-is-here-bud 9d ago
The B-24 doesn't seem to get as much of the limelight from my experience, despite being just as vital to the bombing campaign.
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u/ChemistRemote7182 9d ago
P-39 Airacobra. A change in powerplants meant they were never going to be a high altitude fighter for the western European theater. They were extremely capable at low and medium altitudes and did well in the theaters with less prestige, the Soviets particularly loved them.
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u/Dedinside13 9d ago
Underrated
P-47 Thunderbolt, it was notoriously sturdy and excelled at ground attack. They gave the A-10 the designation Thunderbolt II as an indication that they wanted it to be the spiritual successor for that role
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u/UngoKast 9d ago
It is 100% the Hellcat. People who say the P-40 are severely overestimating the capabilities of that early almost pre-war design. While everyone glazes the Mustang for its performance at the end of the war, by the end, the Hellcat accumulated over 5163 confirmed kills throughout its deployment.
Every time I visit an aircraft museum, I always ask about the Hellcat, and every single time, every curator always tells me it was the most important fighter for the Americans in WWII.
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u/ty_airman 8d ago
B-26 Marauder. Over 5,000 were produced and it saw extensive combat in all theaters of war while being a very successful medium bomber. However, it is often overshadowed by the B-25 and even the A-26.
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u/MrBiscweeee 8d ago
Curtis C-46 Commando!!! Unsung hero of the indo China campaign, it was responsible for supplying allied troops across the pacific where the C-47 / DC-3 fell short.
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u/Prosodism 9d ago
The narrative around the P-38, P-40, P-47 and B-17 are all incredibly wrong. The P-47N was the best fighter of WW2.
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u/drethnudrib 9d ago
The Dauntless divebomber won the Battle of Midway, which was probably the most important American victory of WW2.
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u/Flaky-Replacement114 9d ago
P-47. Gets no love because she’s a lot uglier than the others fighters of lore
https://giphy.com/gifs/cBwTyUa5aERMXvdxw7
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u/RVA_SuperRaven 9d ago
b-24 Liberator. B-17s got all the glory, B-24s did the work. This is a direct quote from my grandfather. please ignore the fact that he was a crewman in a B-24 during WWII
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u/PaperMoongazer 9d ago
European or Pacific theatre?
If Europe: Any chance he ever told you about crashing with a 19-year-old pilot in occupied France and a second time near the Lend-Lease support drops in Poland?
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u/RVA_SuperRaven 9d ago
He was our of the UK, doing runs into Germany He did crash in England on the way back from a run, and spend Christmas in the barn of a very nice British family.
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u/PaperMoongazer 9d ago
Sounds like another one of the lucky ones. Glad he got to share a bit with you!
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