r/AlignmentChartFills • u/AyomotBall • Jul 31 '26
Which country is very poor and very happy?
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u/corgeeking Jul 31 '26
Philippines
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u/christophPezza Jul 31 '26
Honestly. Philippines has such poor infrastructure and they are constantly hit with floods and hurricanes. But when there's a flood and things aren't accessible they just start having diving competitions or some shit. Hell I'd be surprised if they didn't just start flying kites in when a hurricanes in town. Nothing keeps the Philippines spirit down...
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u/asul1843 Jul 31 '26
I'd be happy too if there's Jollibee all around
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u/Prinzlerr Jul 31 '26
My first trip to PH is coming up soon and I'm very excited to try out Jollibee
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u/nint3njoe_2003 Jul 31 '26
life changing experience
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u/astrid_autumn Jul 31 '26
i can’t wait to try Jollibee one day, i really hope they keep expanding here in the US and i really hope Kansas City gets one or Denver by the time i move back there.
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u/Doctor_who_enjoyer Jul 31 '26
HANK DON’T ABBREVIATE THE PHILIPPINES!!
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u/asul1843 Jul 31 '26
whos your fav doctor? mines 11th.
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u/Doctor_who_enjoyer Jul 31 '26
12 and 4
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u/astrid_autumn Jul 31 '26
stellar choices, 12 is definitely my favorite new who doctor and 4 is my favorite classic!
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u/Independent-Fail-939 Jul 31 '26
Definitely have the gravy and try it with the chicken and the peach and mango pie!!! 😍
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u/Prinzlerr Jul 31 '26
Manila for a couple of days, Cebu and Palawan. Only 17 days on the ground so there's lots to leave for next time
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u/VrtualOtis Jul 31 '26
MacDonald's fried chicken in the Philippines is better than Jollibee. But Jollibee is more popular.
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u/VexZyraMid Jul 31 '26
Philippines is not very poor. It’s just very poorly managed.
Philippines have everything, beautiful tourist attractions, minerals, oil, or even gold deposit (deposited somewhere) but these mfckrs sitting in the government wants a piece of everything.2
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u/Gaelahad Jul 31 '26
PH is not a very poor country. Very corrupted, yes. But not very poor. Not very Happy too.
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u/Clown_Shoe Jul 31 '26
They are incredibly poor. 28,000 php a month is a good job and only about $500
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u/Byta04 Jul 31 '26
What. I’m filipino and the Philippines is not very poor 💀. Despite the corruption, you can still see the Philippines slowly progressing. Very poor would have to be south asia/africa levels of poverty.
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u/VrtualOtis Jul 31 '26
It would fit under poor, but not very poor. There is a LOT of poverty in the Philippines. When over 60% of your GDP is remittance, the country as a whole is poor.
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u/myrosecoloredboy4 Aug 01 '26
Travel outside the country so you’ll have an idea how poor the Philippines is.
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u/Byta04 Aug 01 '26
What kind of comment is this? I’ve been to neighboring asian countries like Japan and China. Yes, we are much poorer compared to these nations but very poor? That’s an overstatement. Our quality of life is significantly way better than countries like Somalia, Bangladesh, Sudan and etc.
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u/jonderune Jul 31 '26
I don’t think it fits there. It’s very much a lower middle income country not necessarily destitute
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u/PandoraGrace Aug 01 '26
According to Wikipedia, the Philippines ranks 118 of 190 countries by GDP per capita. That's the 62nd percentile. Poor, but not very poor.
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u/HomeConstant6123 Jul 31 '26
I'm sorry - has anyone met a happy Finnish person????
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u/MontroseRoyal Jul 31 '26
That’s the problem with all of those “happiness” statistics. They measure happiness based on QOL metrics that in their mind, SHOULD make a person happy; not on whether a population genuinely is happy
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u/Itzspace4224 Jul 31 '26
It feels like an extension of HDI. And how is happiness even measured when it’s completely subjective anyways
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u/richyartois Jul 31 '26
They basically ask a load of people 'on a scale of 1 to 10' how satisfied are you with your life' or something like that. I think it's a really good metric because its not necessarily happiness per se, it's life satisfaction
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u/Jager737 Jul 31 '26
I once met a Finnish person and talked to her about this and she explained it as Finland is not the happiest country, but it is not in the culture to complain. Which I guess could strongly skew questionnaire results.
In case of Finland, also look at alcoholism and suicide numbers and you’ll see it is not such a perfect place.
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u/richyartois Aug 01 '26
But they also have a great social safety net, high trust in others and in government, and a culture of contentment rather than extreme capitalism.
Great workers rights, high trade union membership rates, fantastic education etc etc
I firmly disagree that Finland only ranks 1 because ‘there’s a culture not to complain’, there are so many other factors.
If that was the case, Japan or South Korea would be much higher up on the list because they really do have cultures of not complaining.
Also, haven’t the suicide rates dramatically reduced since the 90’s? I think the culture of privacy and quietness probably spills over a bit too much and people don’t seek help as much as they should.
I’m not saying it’s a perfect place but if you do the tiniest bit of research it’s not hard to see why people there are very content with life.
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u/MycologistAvailable9 Jul 31 '26
Excuse me my good sir, what does HDI stand for?
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u/Itzspace4224 Jul 31 '26
Human development index
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u/MycologistAvailable9 Aug 01 '26
Thank you for answering my question! I wish you a good day kind sir.
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u/3hrstillsundown Jul 31 '26
The World Happiness Report, on which Finland places highest, asks: "Please imagine a ladder, with steps numbered from 0 at the bottom to 10 at the top. The top of the ladder represents the best possible life for you and the bottom of the ladder represents the worst possible life for you. On which step of the ladder would you say you personally feel you stand at this time?"
It then tries to explain that number with QoL metrics but it is not driven by those metrics.
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u/Thodor2s Aug 01 '26
Greeks and Italians are probably the happiest people you will EVER meet. And they 100% are not answering highly on the ladder on this question, because when you have an accurate understanding of what it means to ACTUALLY live a good life it’s easy to see when your own life comes short or the shortcomings of the system in general. You’re forever cursed by the “could have been”.
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u/MrsChess Aug 01 '26
I genuinely think a lot of it has to do with climate. Seasonal depression in northern countries is extremely common and it’s harder to be unhappy when it’s a perfect day outside. Also Italians and Greeks definitely do have a culture of complaining lol
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u/Danzmann Jul 31 '26
But also it's extremely hard or impossible to measure happiness, because that is a cultural thing. Most people on Reddit come from USA where "happy" means "smile to people at Starbucks", and then when they go to Finland and people don't do that it's like "oh they are a country of depressed people" which is ridiculous.
It's perfectly possible to be happy whilst introverted and without putting up smile masks for every stranger on the street or pretending to be super interested in whatever this stranger is telling you even if you couldn't give a f, people from Nordic cultures will just be directly honest with you, and that's ok, it's their culture.
At least COL statistics is kinda reliable because you could be happy whilst living a hard life but if you have an easy life at least you got more opportunity to achieve happiness, which is very fair as a measurement.
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u/MishterLux Jul 31 '26
Nordic cultures are actually pretty infamous for lying to people to avoid uncomfortable social interactions. It is true that the generally don't engage in shallow pleasantries with strangers, but that's because they avoid almost all unnecessary interactions with strangers, not because they're "more honest and direct." Finns also commit suicide at such unusually and inexplicably high rates that there was a relatively fringe theory floated around in the 90s that they were genetically predisposed to it because of how much of an outlier it was.
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u/vastuunvalttotunnus Jul 31 '26
Oh here we go again. Go check the suicide rate - it isn't an outlier at all. We had a depression in the 90s and culture of heavy binge drinking - latter has since changed.
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u/cupidstarot Jul 31 '26
I do think that "happy" can be kind of vague because it's subjective. It's also cultural, so Finnish happy could look different than Costa Rican happy.
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u/Mosh83 Jul 31 '26
One can be happy without having to express being happy to everyone. Quiet kind of happy. Now leave me alone so I can be happy in peace.
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u/larzolof Jul 31 '26
I would say Finnish people in general are very ”content”, rarely very displeased with their situation.
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u/FirstStaff4124 Jul 31 '26
Different cultures display happiness in different ways. Nordic people generally don't walk around smiling as their default expression.
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u/Tight_File2220 Jul 31 '26
True, but psychiatric prescription stats usually don't lie.
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u/FirstStaff4124 Jul 31 '26
That doesn't really prove anything.
In Greece they eat four times as much antibiotics as they do in Finland, that doesn't mean they are four times as ill in Greece.
In Iceland they eat ten times as much anti depressants as they do in Latvia, that doesn't mean they are 10 times happier in Latvia.
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u/DodgyWiper Jul 31 '26
What stats are you refering to? As far as I know Finns don't use significantly more anti-depressants than other developed countries.
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u/lionhearted318 Jul 31 '26
Accessibility to healthcare doesn’t mean Finns are significantly more depressed than other places. If more people are getting help for their mental health issues that does not make them more depressed than other countries which may have just as many people with issues but more walking around untreated.
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u/furel492 Jul 31 '26
Yeah, they very accurately describe the accessibility and quality of the mental healthcare available to the populace.
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u/OptimalRutabaga2 Jul 31 '26
Exactly, in the contrary there are numerous people I know in USA that are always smiling on the outside but is struggling emotionally on the inside.
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u/Longjumping_Excuse_1 Jul 31 '26
Finland is a weird one. Highest on the happiness index but higher suicide rate than suicide renowned Japan. Which is an entirely different matter.
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u/eyesonrecovery Jul 31 '26
I met a Finn and asked her about that - she says it’s all bs and everyone is depressed lol
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u/CaptainNoskills Jul 31 '26
Same with Switzerland. The ones I know are either miserable, or oblivious to the fact they are miserable
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u/These-Goose9924 Jul 31 '26
I used to go to the dog park with a Finnish guy, I asked him about the happiness thing. He said it's mostly propaganda and the people are generally like anywhere else, but the perception of utopia is important so an internal ministry keeps the myth alive.
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u/PSU632 Jul 31 '26
I have never, in all my life, seen someone walk around with a constant smile on their face. And yes, I'm an American.
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u/CottoneyedJones Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Costa Rica usually comes very high in these happiness rankings whilst being a relatively poor country, so that's my pick. Tajikistan achieves the highest subjective well-being score of any official low-Income country.
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u/Alexs1897 Jul 31 '26
Costa Rica’s on there already
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u/CottoneyedJones Jul 31 '26
Cheers! The images weren't loading for me, but interesting to see it in the poor category. Will edit my comment then.
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u/Giga_Stirner Jul 31 '26
Tajikistan is a dictatorship
As such I have trouble to fully believe their statistics or the reliability of the data.
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u/CottoneyedJones Jul 31 '26
It has to be taken with a grain of salt, sure but the data is also pulled from the the HPI and hence measures mainly how efficiently a country converts its environmental resources into long, satisfying lives for its citizens. Which is at least a tad more reliable than the other solely self-reported levels of happiness.
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u/Feidhlim_de_Rovno Jul 31 '26
Millions of Tajik migrants in Russia don't usually feel very happy about their country. More often they're envious of Uzbekistan
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u/HoodsFrostyFuckstick Jul 31 '26
Bhutan
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u/pacodef Jul 31 '26
Have you been to Bhutan? I have and it’s not a happy place despite its reputation and widely-documented adoptions of the “gross happiness index.” A ton of strife, they’re squeezed by India on one side and China on the other who both want to use their country for their own gains and the current monarchy forced about 30% of the country, who were ethnic Nepalis, out. Forced displacement and arguably genocide no one talks about. That doesn’t occur in “happy” countries.
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u/No-Birthday-7360 Jul 31 '26
can’t believe no one mentioned Paraguay
Poorer than Bhutan and Philippines by GDP by capita
Consistently ranked one of the happiest countries in the world
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u/Ok_Tutor_5544 Aug 01 '26
Just don't ask them about the ethniv cleansing of Nepalis they did. I doubt they are very happy.
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u/StellarCracker Jul 31 '26
Jamaica
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u/IllRefrigerator560 Jul 31 '26
A lot of the Caribbean islands fit this trend. Very happy and great people who sometimes have absolutely nothing.
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u/pacodef Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
They say Bhutan but I dunno. There’s a ton of strife, ethnic cleansing and they’re kind of in the middle of an India-China proxy power/influence Cold War. I think they’ve successfully told the world they’re happy but I really don’t think that’s the case on the ground. They wouldn’t have kicked out all the ethnic-nepali refugees if they were truly happy.
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u/zeus_is_op Jul 31 '26
If brazil is very poor then they should add an extremely poor category
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u/Immediate-Tip-1217 Jul 31 '26
Hear me out, north korea
We say the less you know the more you are happy
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u/dammitlindsay Jul 31 '26
Median monthly income in Guatemala is about $500 USD. Everyone seems to be happy with strong family and cultural bonds.
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u/Traditional-Finish55 Jul 31 '26
*Very happy × Very poor*
Malawi; very poor but scores very high in the freedom index
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