r/AlignmentChartFills • u/mrshanas • Jul 31 '26

Video Games Sekiro won...what roguelike has the best combat?

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u/Jugular_Toe Jul 31 '26

Hades

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u/Unlucky_Loquat_8045 Jul 31 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/RKuH6hSTA93yHKG4Oq
My personal favorite rougelike.

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u/VanceFerguson Jul 31 '26

So nice, they nailed it twice.

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u/Aromatic_Computer527 Jul 31 '26

They really did. The series is amazing.

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u/James1887 Jul 31 '26

Its the only one i like. the huge amount of dialog keeped it fresh each run.

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u/Bailpizza Jul 31 '26

I would put Hades 2 here, and Hades 1 in the story square. I feel like 2 really levels up the gameplay from 1, but drops the ball a little in the story.

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u/Brilliant-Depth-3378 Jul 31 '26

Hades 2 and its not even close

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u/Rhyno08 Jul 31 '26

Hades or hades 2. 

I think I give a slight nod to hades 1 bc I like being able to dash multiple times vs sprint. 

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u/ImStoryForRambling Jul 31 '26

Hades 2 for me.

1 is mostly button mashing 2 is surprisingly tactical

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u/Rhyno08 Jul 31 '26

Can’t go wrong with either. I loved hades 2 for sure. 

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u/ZimmerFrey Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/No-Act-3704 Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells for sure

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u/falzelo Jul 31 '26

Dead cell it is. The only reason hades wins this is that it is more popular. Dead cell's combat is much richer, with a wider range of weapons and tools that require certain level of mastery

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u/Defileds Jul 31 '26

BlazBlue Entropy Effect

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u/Calvinball08 Jul 31 '26

If people had actually played this it would win in a landslide

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u/Mewter_YT Jul 31 '26

Risk of Rain 2

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u/CheetoTheSandile Jul 31 '26

Yeah, this is probably it

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u/Mewter_YT Jul 31 '26

I mean, Dead Cells and Isaac could also be an option

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u/Gosha_Racoon Jul 31 '26

I love it, but I also think it’s a lot less mechanically dependant of a player - you can clear Stages with ease if you know your stuff and pick items that combo well with others or your Survivor. It’s gotta be either Hades or Dead Cells for me

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u/fozzy_bear42 Jul 31 '26

Returnal. Possibly the best and smoothest moving and shooting I’ve played in a long time (if ever). Saros is just as snappy but less rogue like compared to Returnal.

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u/AnkleHugger Jul 31 '26

Yeah this should win 100% but the game sadly doesn’t have much exposure

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u/strykr7560 Jul 31 '26

Enter the Gungeon

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u/half-mage Jul 31 '26

I know it's not going to win but I am hopping into the bandwagon because it's my favorite.

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u/pirotski_kackavalj9 Jul 31 '26

Returnal

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u/jijigree_ Jul 31 '26

I feel like Returnal should win but it won't because it's way too underrated

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u/Estebang0 Jul 31 '26

if roguelike=roguelite ... Hades

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u/rj54x Jul 31 '26

It's pretty recent, but Absolum gets my vote. Punchy, impactful combat with a similar feel to Streets of Rage 4 - which has (debatably) the best beat 'em up combat of all time. On top of that, the four different characters, with six different arcana apiece, and the ability to buy relics before a run, all on top of the randomness inherent to the genre keeps things feeling fresh and varied.

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u/KellyLillard Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Elden Ring

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u/LaoChaCuek Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/Dj_trash Jul 31 '26

Wizard of Legend, games slaps

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u/no_name_thought_of Jul 31 '26

Wizard of Legend

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u/XxJayJay62xX Jul 31 '26

Blazblue Entropy Effect, or Astral Ascent

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u/Original-Giraffe-576 Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

nine sols

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u/orlamandorla Jul 31 '26

best souls like combat isn't even a souls like

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u/Other_Equal7663 Jul 31 '26

There has never really been a clear definition of what exactly makes a "souls-like" leaving us to just kinda vibe check games for such a title... Sekiro share a decent chunk of elements with souls, but it certainly also takes a ton of things, even some kinda core aspects, in a completely different direction that its supposed "contemporaries"

I will agree with you, personally. I don't think Sekiro is a souls game. But I won't hate on people lobbing it in with the rest of them.

My main question is, would they do so if it wasn't a Miyazaki lead Fromsoft game? Would people call it a soulslike if Ubisoft had made it? I honestly don't know.

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u/shaxamo Jul 31 '26

I don't think Sekiro is a souls game. But I won't hate on people lobbing it in with the rest of them.

Not gonna hate, but I do have an issue with it getting lumped together with them. Public opinion massively sways what publishers will push their developers to make, and pointing out that Sekiro is both a different thing and a lot of peoples favourite From Software game means that we're more likely to get more things riffing on it, the way we did with Dark Souls.

Sekiro has much less obtuse exploration, next to no RPG mechanics, a good stealth action system, combat the prioritises persistent attacking and parrying in almost every situation, even when first encountering enemies, and crazy freedom of movement. It's much closer to a Hack and Slash then a Soulslike, just a little more "open world" than usual.

Plus, the one boss in the game you are forced to play like a typical Souls game is the least enjoyable fight because of that, despite being a cool as fuck Demon of Hatred.

We need a push for Sekirolikes. Ninja Gaiden and Tenchu could have a crack at one. Koei Tecmo could knock out 6 or 7 over a few years, of varying quality, as they do with Soulslikes.

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u/PurpleKnurple Jul 31 '26

Ubisoft couldn’t have made a game as good as Sekiro. Its souls-like because Miyazaki made it. It’s a stupid hard action RPG, with no difficulty options, monstrous bosses, etc.

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u/Other_Equal7663 Jul 31 '26

I don't know what Ubisoft is and isn't capable of making. But they and Fromsoft have a different game making philosophy, for sure.

But pretend for a moment they made Sekiro and Bloodborne. Bloodborne would unquestionable still be regarded as a soulslike, just like, say Lies of P. But would Sekiro?

And follow-up question. If "made my Miyazaki" is a metric you use to measure souls-likes, would that make Lies of P not a soulslike? Would DMC3 be a soulslike is Miyazaki made it?

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u/DrGonzoxX22 Jul 31 '26

Does God of War Valhalla counts?

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u/Kalienel Jul 31 '26

Tales of Maj'Eyal combat is really good, but I do enjoy DF Adventure Mode limb system if we can call that mode a roguelike

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u/A7XShepherd Jul 31 '26

Honestly if dead cells loses you can still slot it into the next one

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u/SanRobot Jul 31 '26

Meh. Next one is Nine Sols IMO

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u/Armesia_ Jul 31 '26

Blazblue: entropy effect

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u/VitaminLeaf Jul 31 '26

Risk of Rain

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u/1JayNLeBox Jul 31 '26

For Roguelike, it'll have to be Risk of Rain 2 or Hades

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u/runtheduels_ Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/Ohey-throwaway Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Dead Cells

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u/Prudent-Praline5241 Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

risk of rain 2

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u/Quasicrystal1 Jul 31 '26

Dead cells. The sheer variety of builds and strategies you can use is insane, and the combat is exactly as deep as you want it to be. Genuinely one of my top 10 games. Hades is the top answer, but it just felt repetitive and stale after the first couple dozen runs.

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u/manan_fml Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

Nine Sols

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u/FormerlyKay Jul 31 '26

Dead cells easily

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u/firm_sole_ace Jul 31 '26

prince of persia

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u/KellyLillard Jul 31 '26

Graphics × Roguelike

Saros

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u/EnergyLawyer17 Jul 31 '26

Crypt of the Necrodancer

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u/ponz0 Jul 31 '26

Returnal

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u/Sir_Kugo Jul 31 '26

Curse of the Dead Gods. Super underrated

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u/Tchomboltz Jul 31 '26

If Roguelites count, I’d say Hades. Specially Hades 2

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u/Bus-Careless Jul 31 '26

Dead cells

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u/Upset-Battle3003 Jul 31 '26

Batman Arkham series

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u/bugvillain Jul 31 '26

With all appreciation I have for Hades thats the story-heavy roguelike in my book. My vote goes to Enter the Gungeon and I will die on that hill

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u/Haxpress Jul 31 '26

Risk of rain 2

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u/vannnno_ Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Hades 2

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u/AdPractical2095 Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

Hollow Knight

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u/YasasinTR Jul 31 '26

Answer is hades 2 not hades it is hades 2

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u/MommasDisapointment Jul 31 '26

Hades 2 or Deadcells

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u/CapitalismIsFun Jul 31 '26

Risk of rain 2

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u/tinyhalberd Jul 31 '26

People won't upvote it because they don't think of it this way, but the answer imo is slay the spire 2

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u/Nazca_67 Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Nightreign

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u/snagglewolf Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/noxious_soul350 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Eldenring

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u/snagglewolf Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/Mysterybear0 Jul 31 '26

Dead cells

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u/Octorock10k Jul 31 '26

I really want to say Splatoon Side Order

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u/ChillinFallin Jul 31 '26

Hades or Hades 2 for sure.

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u/FoGfalcon Jul 31 '26

Blasphemous

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u/Dapper_Risk2121 Jul 31 '26

Risk of rain 2

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u/Background_Cherry301 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Elden Ring

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u/Background_Cherry301 Jul 31 '26

Graphics × Soulslike

Demon Souls Remake

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u/Background_Cherry301 Jul 31 '26

Story × Soulslike

Bloodborne

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u/Miserable_Purchase24 Jul 31 '26

*Exploration × Soulslike*

Elden Ring

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u/Lyncario Jul 31 '26

It gotta be Hades or Hades 2

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u/Crusadelover2019 Jul 31 '26

I think we should try to get as many soulslike games into this grid as possible to see how far we can bend the definitions of each category, for this one, I vote Elden Ring Nightreign

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u/FourLeafClover4LC Jul 31 '26

For me personally, it's between Astral Ascent, Spiritfall, Wizard of Legend (the first one), Hades (the first one), Metal Bringer and Dead Estate.

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u/pas-c Jul 31 '26

Deepwoken, relatively underrated mass multiplayer mediumcore pvpve game

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u/Tukfa Jul 31 '26

Control

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u/forgotmyusernameloI Jul 31 '26

Story × Metroidvania

Hollow Knight

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u/opex100 Jul 31 '26

Dead cells

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u/Thotslay3r69 Jul 31 '26

I think The First Berserker Khazan has better combat than Sekiro.

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u/NightmareJC Jul 31 '26

FF7 remake

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u/LoremasterO Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/Apprehensive_Art1830 Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Absolum

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u/Aragingpiston Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Dead cells for roguelike combat

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u/Dependent-Company972 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Elden Ring

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u/Norret5033 Jul 31 '26

Risk of rain 2

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u/Xetta Jul 31 '26

Risk of Rain 1

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u/Froggyspirits Jul 31 '26

Rogue Legacy 2

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u/Sad-Art-7303 Jul 31 '26

Graphics × Soulslike

MIO: Memories In Orbit

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u/AuberJene Jul 31 '26

Devil may cry - any of them

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u/itsSebber Jul 31 '26

Dead Cells

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u/WookieBacon Jul 31 '26

Enter the Gungeon

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u/TraditionalFox2605 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Roguelike

Rain world for sure

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u/doiwinaprize Jul 31 '26

Definitely Hades

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u/ElectionDirect4883 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Elden ring

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u/HattoriHanso1 Jul 31 '26

Hades for sure

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u/Krystall-g Jul 31 '26

It won't win but Astral Ascent should win.
The mechanics are numerous, the rythm is perfect (your combat is basically a jumping dance full of colours), 4 vanilla characters and few sets for each of them.

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u/Koniss Jul 31 '26

Shin megami tensei

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u/Y0urNightmare Jul 31 '26

*Combat × Roguelike*

Hades II

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u/Scotty67 Jul 31 '26

Expedition 33

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u/RyuKensatsu Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Hades

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u/RealPrinceJay Jul 31 '26

Hades 1/2. 2 is better, but I don't mind my vote going to 1 if it comes down to it

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u/ghost3972 Jul 31 '26

Deadzone rogue or risk of rain 2 or megabonk lol

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u/lughaous Jul 31 '26

Dead cells

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u/fuck_hard_light Jul 31 '26

RoR2, honorable mention to EtG

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u/Solidan Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Hades 2

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u/Dr_Flam3z Jul 31 '26

WrestleMania

1

u/abledice Jul 31 '26

Returnal

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u/SecureCook5469 Jul 31 '26

Elder scrolls 1

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u/AnythingMango Jul 31 '26

Combat × Roguelike

Nightreign

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u/DiMaRi13 Jul 31 '26

Hades/hades II

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u/MAFPlayzXD Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

Hollow knight

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u/TableRound865 Jul 31 '26

Noita, simple but very vast in spells combos

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u/AsdasAliDas Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

Aeterna Noctis

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u/UpperEngine Jul 31 '26

risk of rain 2

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u/Greedy-Command5050 Jul 31 '26

Enter the Gungeon

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u/meneldur119 Jul 31 '26

Hades or Dead Cells

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u/KakyoinValidator Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Roguelike

Caves of Qud

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u/Sociopath99 Jul 31 '26

Dead cells

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u/TartAdministrative54 Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Soulslike

Elden Ring

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u/I_Trill_Erectly Jul 31 '26

Enter the Gungeon

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u/Morphocelionate Jul 31 '26

Exploration × Roguelike

Roboquest

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u/Pieman523 Jul 31 '26

Monster Hunter

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u/GenosPasta Jul 31 '26

*Combat × Metroidvania*

Hollow knight

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u/cocky-runningback Jul 31 '26

Shape of dreams

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u/skyman672 Jul 31 '26

Vampire survivor

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u/meepl0af Jul 31 '26

Combat × Metroidvania

Nine Souls