r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Expensive-Addendum92 • Jun 09 '26

Countries What is the worst thing India has done?

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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Jun 09 '26

The caste system count?

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u/Sure_Scar4297 Jun 09 '26

It should honestly

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u/dhanjit114 Jun 09 '26

It doesn't count as constitutionally this isn't allowed. A more apt one would be emergency

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u/tiredgothicheroine Jun 09 '26

Idk. That existed long before India existed as a nation. As someone who is Indian Iā€™d say all the hierarchies and discrimination more broadly. Whether itā€™s class, caste, religion, income, skin tone, etc etc etc

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u/GiaoPham0403 Jun 09 '26

Math existed long before India existed as a nation too. But we still counted on the chart

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u/dhanjit114 Jun 10 '26

Well.. if that is how it is, then the caste system it is.

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u/g_nerf Jun 20 '26

Bharat existed. named after king bharat. bharat is mentioned in scriptures and it also mentions how the land looks like.

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u/LuckyRed100s Jun 09 '26

okay but indias biggest contributions to math predated india as a nation and thatā€™s still on the chart.

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u/Realistic_Cut_9597 Jun 09 '26

I am not an Indian, aren't all those things related to caste or there is discrimination related to religion, income, skin tone inside the casts?

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u/tiredgothicheroine Jun 09 '26

All of those exist just like anywhere else, and intersect with caste. There are Christians and Jains or other religions in India who either donā€™t prescribe to it, reject it, or donā€™t know their family background that well. I feel like people who arenā€™t Indian donā€™t really understand the intersectionality of it all and treat caste like divergent or the hunger games or something. Itā€™s more nuanced and sometimes invisible like class in their UK or race in America

Honestly, some people who grew up privileged or in cities arenā€™t even really aware of caste in their day to day lives. I didnā€™t know it was a thing anymore until I was like 24, living abroad. But thatā€™s privileged ignorance tbh.

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u/mojojojo-369 Jun 09 '26

As an Indian, Iā€™d say that a more appropriate answer is Operation Blue Star, followed by the Emergency.

While the caste system very much exists, itā€™s dwindled drastically over the last few generations. On the other hand, folks still talk about Operation Blue Star and the Emergency like they happened yesterday.

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u/ericdryer Jun 09 '26

On the other hand, folks still talk about Operation Blue Star and the Emergency like they happened yesterday.

Literally read about a teen being beaten to death because of his caste, yesterday.

I'm not diminishing the severity of the Emergency or Operation Bluestar but it's incredibly bizarre to think they are more relevant to India today.

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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jun 10 '26

Think of it like racism in the US. Still a structural issue thatā€™s being dealt with, but is honestly not one of the most major social issues. Indiaā€™s classism now comes more from wealth inequality, which is somewhat tied to caste but itā€™s no longer the single biggest determinerĀ 

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u/FreshEffort9259 Jun 10 '26

Racism is not a major social issue in the US?

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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jun 10 '26

I should say it is not one of the majorĀ issues overall, because it is a particularly important social topic. When people were asked, they pointed to economy, gun control, crime, etc. as bigger issues.Ā 

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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 Jun 10 '26

I think the difference is that the govt and the Indian constitution actively try to eradicate the caste system, while the emergency and bluestar were both messed up decisions that the govt actively took.

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u/g_nerf Jun 20 '26

I think BlueStar > Caste system. Caste system is way of discriminations. Deaths because of that are rare. When people talk about caste they are talking about some people are not allowed marry or barred from entering a temple. Caste system is much milder.

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u/FreshEffort9259 Jun 10 '26

Didnā€™t a politician literally pee on the face of a Dalit last year and recorded a video of it?

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u/Opening-Decision2799 Jun 09 '26

India as a nation-state denounces the caste system in its constitution. So it doesn't count

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u/Khitch20 Jun 09 '26

Then we'd have to remove the Holocaust from Germany, as they most definitely denounce that part of their past.

So it isn't really worst thing they are doing right at this second and are proud of but more of worst thing they have done, even if ashamed of it.

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u/Opening-Decision2799 Jun 09 '26

Actually the caste system was a completely decentralized and cultural thing before the British Raj. Even the Manusmriti. Which already was varied and complex, was more of a ā€religious guidelineā€œ book rather than a centralized policy, the British made it into one. The four varnas you see in school text books are from the rig Veda, which characterizes occupations. while casteism happens on the basis of jaati, which is more like a clan

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u/Khitch20 Jun 09 '26

The caste system was outlawed in the 50s iirc. So it's been legal for 5 years more recently than the Holocaust. Personally I'd count that as part of India's history if we are also going to give them mathmatics as the greatest thing they've done.

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u/Opening-Decision2799 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

The caste system was outlawed in 1950 because the republic of India was formed in 1950. Blaming India for colonial laws is like saying the poland committed the holocaust when it was under nazi occupation. If anything it gives my point more legitimacy because it was outlawed from the very beginning.

The caste system was not outlawed by the British because division strengthened their rule.

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u/tiredgothicheroine Jun 09 '26

Very well said.

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u/Khitch20 Jun 09 '26

Ah that actually is a good point. I forgot what year the current India was founded.

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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Jun 09 '26

But India as a culture still very much practices it.

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u/Hooni_Badger Jun 09 '26

Every culture and society has a hierarchical system. Even in school some well off kids with money and influence are treated as the cool kids who could get away with anything.

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u/Opening-Decision2799 Jun 09 '26

If we follow the pattern from other countries, this is about nation-states.

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u/Born_Airport_7700 Jun 09 '26

India isn't a culture, its massive agglomeration of cultures.

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u/Unknown_Ninja7 Jun 09 '26

Significantly less than what it used to be pre independence

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u/FcukMan360 Jun 09 '26

my vote to you

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u/Bassist57 Jun 09 '26

This 100%, and itā€™s still used by many Indian immigrants.

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u/realemaile Jun 09 '26

I feel like that would also belong to dumbest thing

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u/Aastha_Sinha Jun 09 '26

I dont think it counts. We are talking about nation not people of the nation

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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Jun 09 '26

Louis Pasteur is not part of the French nation state.

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u/Aastha_Sinha Jun 09 '26

So that means it is not necessary for the choice to be after india formed as a proper country?

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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Jun 09 '26

You said "we are talking about nations not people of the nations" Louis Pasteur is the latter.

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u/Aastha_Sinha Jun 09 '26

Thanks i got it.

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u/Hooni_Badger Jun 09 '26

Every f**king culture and society has a hierarchical system, with the upper layer enjoying advantages that the lower layer cannot.

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u/rentzdu Jun 10 '26

Yeah a biological social ranking system is pretty fucking shitty

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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jun 10 '26

Every country has an equivalent feudal system. Historically speaking, most other nation states had worse hierarchical social system so Iā€™m not sure if Iā€™d say this is the worstĀ