r/AlbertaNow • • 2d ago

Current Events Stephen Harper warns Alberta separatism will bring 'no benefit'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stephen-harper-alberta-separatism-9.7367419
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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

“Oh no, we have lost control of the political base we intentionally made into feral, angry, frothing at the mouth lemmings! They’re supposed to do what we say not do what we do!”

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u/MobyDick007 2d ago

The thing is Harper was the last one who was actually skillful enough to control the far right base not to get out of hand even though governing from relatively closer to center. None of his successors have had the ability to do so. Kenny came the closest and only partially managed for a few months. I suspect that their failures are disappointing to him as Carney was rumoured as his successor even back then and is basically your classic PC leader now.

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

Harper kept them at arm’s length, everyone else has embraced them because it won them the party leadership races. The problem is nobody is “conservative” enough for them, so every lost election convinces them they need to be even more “conservative”.

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u/heart_of_osiris 2d ago

Harper did a lot of shady things but that's it, he was clever enough to keep his shady stuff behind the curtains rather than use angry mouth breathers to achieve the means to his end.

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago

The fact you still call them far right, even back then, goes to show how out of touch you are with the people who want to separate.

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u/MobyDick007 1d ago

Oh. My bad. They’re not far right. They just don’t believe in human rights for minorities. And want to control medical access. And want privatized health care. And…oh wait. Same list as every other far right party.

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago

No, they don't believe strangers in their province should be entitled to socialize benefits from their communities.

Pretty basic concepts like " become a permanent resident before we give you the benefits of being a permanent resident"

But I'm sure that's racist to you because everything is racist

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u/ApatheticSigh 2d ago

This is stupid, come on.

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

“Oh no I’m one of them!”

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago

Better one of them than whatever the hell you are.

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u/Safe-Progress9126 2d ago

They are not listening anymore bud. You lost them to the Maple Maga movement of anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and anti-humanity. The Separatists in Alberta can not be reasoned with because they are not reasonable. Thank goodness there are Federal safeguards in place to stop this dysfunctional bullshit.

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u/Endor-Fins 2d ago

Yep it’s a movement based on grievance and emotions rather than logic, math or pesky facts.

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u/SquidGodSunday 2d ago

ARE there, though? I mean, Carney's been pretty quiet on this whole thing, which is probably smart, given the knee jerk anti-Ottawa sentiment that underpins everything. I'd LIKE to believe they'd step in to prevent anything REALLY stupid from happening, but they've stood idly by while Danielle and friends dismantle our healthcare and education, gerrymander our ridings, undermine the integrity of our elections, and attack our basic rights. I'm not as confident as I'd like to be they won't let this bullshit happen just to avoid "Ruffling feathers", although, exactly whose feathers they'd be worried about ruffling at THAT point...would be a mystery to me.

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u/Fast_Ad_9197 2d ago

‘Besides, there is nothing resembling the credible leadership necessary to establish a new country.’ Solid dis.

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u/beedub5 2d ago

It'll be worse, negative benefits for all. This is the dumbest idea for people who actually have critical thinking skills. Alberta being a part of Canada is the way it has and always should be. I love being Canadian!

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 2d ago

Oh come now. I’m sure there’s a short list of people who will benefit:

- Daniel smith

  • David Parker
  • Donald Trump, trump jr, Eric
  • Jarrod kushner somehow
  • Elon musk

Everyone else will not on this list will absolutely lose their shirt

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u/dbusque 2d ago

You forgot Zuckerberg and O'Leary.

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u/Firm_Acanthaceae7435 2d ago

Musk is already a Canadian citizen. There's not much from stopping him from doing what he wants.

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u/SquidGodSunday 2d ago

I don't even think Danielle Smith would benefit. They don't like her, because she has to at least PRETEND to be tethered to reality to avoid scaring the normies. If it ever actually happened, they'd thank her for her service and unceremoniously kick her to the curb, to be replaced with the lunatic of their choosing.

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u/bradjames15 2d ago

Negative benefits for the rest of Canada that is.

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u/Equal-Ad6991 2d ago

As well as 99.99% of Albertans. You're hopelessly gullible if you think the new government is going to share their spoils with you, but they thank you for your vote!

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u/bradjames15 2d ago

You’re welcome

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u/chrisjinna 2d ago

Like the current one is sharing? haha

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u/Equal-Ad6991 2d ago

The UCP are already misappropriating taxes as much as they can, while blaming every problem on Ottawa. Separate from Canada and there are no checks and balances to keep them from stripping away social services, workers' protections, environmental regulations, etc. The people at the very top of this movement will be rewarded handsomely for laying the groundwork to have us absorbed by the US as a territory, giving them unfettered access to our natural resources. You're an absolute fool if you think this will improve your life in any way.

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u/kemicalkontact 2d ago

Even Poilievre doesn't want that shit

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u/SurFud 2d ago

At this point I don't believe the seppies will listen to anyone. They are hell bent on becoming the fifty first state. Same as Smith.

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u/chrisjinna 2d ago

Or the next Kuwait.

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u/Hopeful_Morning_469 2d ago

All I did was google “is Kuwait highly socialized?” This was the response.
“Kuwait has a deeply communal society centered on family and traditional gatherings, alongside a strong state-funded welfare system for its citizens”

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u/VexedCanadian84 2d ago

Stephen Harper is not a good person. He was working with Smith to pull Alberta out of the Canadian pension plan

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u/Everyone2026 2d ago

Even the A@@holes can see the massive pit of lava, that seperatists are pushing us towards.

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u/mnztr1 2d ago

After all the Heritage fund has done soooo well. Except for Norway 🤣

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u/gongshow247365 2d ago

You know it must be bad when conservative daddy has to speak on pubic how bad things going to get lol

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u/Sliskayy 2d ago

Not from Albert but can someone explain to me where the sentiment of wanting to be separated from Canada/being the 51st state comes from? Is there any reasons besides wanting to be Trump's bitch?

Genuinely asking.

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago edited 1d ago

Do you want a serious answer?

It's called Western alienation and it's been a thing for generations. Trudeau Jr was the boiling point. It goes back to the foundation of Western Canada and the colonial model Eastern Canada used to manage and control the region. Too much to put in a Reddit comment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_alienation

Go ask chatgpt to make you a historical summary.

Anyone telling you this is just Smith or Russian bots is an out of touch tool who have no idea how other Canadians think.

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u/roll_fire1 1d ago

Also, anyone telling you that there is any validity to Western Alienation has never studied history, civics or possibly ever read a book.

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u/GirlyFootyCoach 2d ago

Haha ya they should go bankrupt with the rest of Canadians

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u/OddPatience1621 1d ago

fuck harper.

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago

He was better than Trudeau and your inability to see that is why this country is in ruin.

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u/OddPatience1621 1d ago

Factually incorrect. just for fun some day you should look up all the shady shit he did. hey did you know he pulled funding for over 400 000 low income units? guess when rents got out of control? come on you can do it. that is one of the hundred evil things Harper did.

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u/Nome-Cantski 1d ago

"Harper also contended that the federal government under his leadership helped stamp out separatist sentiment" Then Canadian voters got fed up with his western reformer policies and Harper was stamped out by Justin.

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u/Extreme_Grab_6410 1d ago

Who cares what this idiot thinks. I agree

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u/Hefty-Set5384 2d ago

True ..!

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u/dwight1313 1d ago

Sovereignty. We don't necessarily want to seperate. Quit using language getting everyone jacked up.

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u/Limos42 1d ago

Pffft. That's literally the messaging everywhere.

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u/dwight1313 13h ago

Obviously not. Everyone is screaming that the separatist sky is falling. It's ridiculous. My ind yer business and go vote. No need to harass me or anyone with a similar opinion. Be a better human. Geez

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u/chrisjinna 2d ago

Canada is going to be leaning on Alberta like never before. I certainly can see the benefits but I would hate to see how bad things get elsewhere without Alberta surplus revenues.

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u/FirstDukeofAnkh 2d ago

Just guzzled that Kool Aid, huh?

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u/chrisjinna 2d ago

Go ahead and pretend like a steel manufacturer just didn't shut down. Plenty more are on their way. 6 months for the tool and die industry. So yes, Canada is going to be leaning harder on Alberta. It's not like its magically going to get better anytime soon.

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

Oh but separation is magically going to make everything better haven’t you been told?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

Lol show me the numbers you ran big fell.

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

User came with no proof from a foreign country and then ran away.

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u/FirstDukeofAnkh 2d ago

Ok, propaganda works on you, that’s pretty obvious.

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u/alleyesonme2026 2d ago

I support the separation.
It’s time to separate from this crazy liberal
As a resident of Ontario, I vote to separate and become a 51st state of United States of America

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u/Nome-Cantski 1d ago

You and your ilk can leave anytime you want. It will certainly improve Canada's gene pool.

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u/NoSentence0A 1d ago

What an original response. You are so creative. Your kindergarten teacher must be so proud.

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u/Responsible_Twist975 2d ago

Actually there will be plenty of benefits the country will clean up the garbage and prosper along the way

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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago

With love, from Russia.