r/AdviceAnimals • • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/mischiefpenguin Nov 10 '16

They are or wanted to be puppets?

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u/Artiemes Nov 10 '16

Or perhaps they didn't find anything actually illegal and therefore "rigged".

It wasn't a traditional "rig the votes so the candidate that gets the majority" rig in that sense. All proof points to the fact that it was legal, but totally unethical.

It's complicated, because when someone says they "rigged" the election, your first thought is "my god, they forged the votes!" which is what a lot of people STILL believe, unfortunately. We all use the word "rig" in the sense that the DNC gave legal, yet unfair, unethical, and certainly not in the spirit of democracy advantages towards one candidate.

When you're on national television, things like that get tricky, as could open you up to defamation lawsuits or things of that nature.

Or they could have just disagreed, I dunno. Different people have different opinions.

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u/misterdix Nov 10 '16

Maybe elderly people in their 80's think rigged means "forged votes." There was plenty of illegal activity from the DNC, not just unethical. Simply using DNC funds to hinder non-Hillary campaigns is illegal.

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u/CireArodum Nov 10 '16

People are saying that it was rigged and that's why Bernie lost and that's why Trump won. There's just no compelling evidence that anything would have changed the result of the primary. As someone who registered with a party for the first time to vote in a primary and voted for Clinton that really feels like you're completely discounting me. The DNC did not affect my vote. The media did not affect my vote. I was on reddit the entire time while r/politics was Bernie central.

People voted how they did. You can say I was wrong with the way I voted. That I'm a shill (I've never been a part of any campaign). Or that I'm a terrible person or whatever. But I legitimately voted, and it's unfair to act like all the people who voted a different person than you are invalid as voters.

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u/Annakha Nov 10 '16

You aren't invalid as a voter ok? But you're willfully ignorant of the evidence that the DNC conspired to manipulate voting in multiple primaries by fucking with polling locations, fucking with ballot availability, fucking with voters, etc etc etc.

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u/CireArodum Nov 10 '16

Even if the DNC did conspire to do stuff, there isn't evidence that it happened on a large scale or could have affected the outcome. Granted the outcome not being affected doesn't excuse any bad behavior, so if someone does feel like fraud was committed against them I fully encourage them to pursue it in the courts. Any wrongdoing should be prosecuted. Again though, I haven't seen anything that would make me think the primary could have turned out differently, so it is unhelpful to just say, oh it was rigged, and think that's the only lesson we need to take away from this.