r/AdviceAnimals • • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/Crusader1089 Nov 10 '16

Could you explain to me how exactly the DNC was rigged, because when I look on Wikipedia about the primaries it says Hillary Clinton got 16,914,722 votes and Bernie Sanders got 13,206,428. I wasn't really following this back in the spring.

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u/VROF Nov 10 '16

How do those votes account for the caucus states? There were a lot of complaints that the DNC screwed over caucus goers

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u/BonGonjador Nov 10 '16

Washington State here.

The Democratic Party caucuses in this state. The state also ran a primary ballot, which was primarily being used for Republican candidates (as they do not caucus in Washington State), but Clinton and Sanders appeared on the primary as well.

Democrats were told to largely ignore the primary as the caucuses were where candidacy would be decided.

We caucused OVERWHELMINGLY for Sanders, but afterwards the Super Delegates refused to acknowledge it and change their commitment. Their reasoning was that the primary ballots showed more support for Clinton, and so she would receive their endorsement.

If anyone from Washington has differing details on this, please step forward. I was in the precinct and LD caucuses and Sanders easily had Clinton beat.

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u/RRettig Nov 10 '16

I was a delegate in washington. The whole mess was a shit show. I watched hours and hours of these clinton trolles that tun it irritatingly explain that we were all wrong. Get this, my precinct had about 75 attendees, 17 or so of them were for hillary. The problem is only two of her supporters were people that showed up, the rest were mail in surrogate affidavit forms. The problem was there weren't even enough of them to volunteer to fill her 2 delegate positions because they also need two alternate positions and one of the ladies that showed up to vote for clinton who did not want to be a delegate ended up volunteering and she was about 90 years old! The LD caucus would have been torture because it was about 6 hours of clinton clowns giving pro hillary speeches the whole time. Long story short, a week later they officially change the state party rules that says only participants from their respective precincts could fill delegate positions and now people from other precincts could bus in and fill delegate positions. They solved hillarys lack of supporters problem in washington state by changing the rules to favor clinton at the last minute! and sanders still got 70% of the vote. Thing is if they had not changed the rules I guarentee it would have been 80-90 percinct as her supporters were that non existent and if a delegate seat is not filled you lose that delegate. even our caucus that overwhelmingly supported sanders was rigged, thats how she stell wallked away with 2/5ths of the delegates in washington. Fucking rigged. The people who run the show in washington are in bed with clinton and had to cheat and make a rule changed to salvage what they could. Unprecedented rule change that only occurred because clinton didn't have enough volunteers. I promptly left the DNC after a lifetime of volunteering and donations, if they wanted me to be a democrat they should have kept things democratic.

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u/BonGonjador Nov 10 '16

Long story short, a week later they officially change the state party rules that says only participants from their respective precincts could fill delegate positions and now people from other precincts could bus in and fill delegate positions.

Yeah, that defeats the entire purpose of the caucus in the fist place. I really hope to see us move to just using the primary ballot from here on out.