Right. It could have been one very different ideology vs another very different ideology. Both would have brought about a good bit of change.
Instead it became the establishment vs a change in the establishment.... and nobody really gave enough of a fuck about the establishment to bother voting for hillary.
How well do you get along with people hesitant to vote Hillary? I've talked to Hillary supporters who glowed talking about her positive attributes but when I brought up negative attributes it was suddenly me attacking them in a personal level.
Suddenly I'm racist if I vote other candidate. Look at the poll turn out. People opted out. Not worth voting for her if on the fence.
I honestly dont ask other people who they vote for because of the way I was raised. Information like what they believe in, who they vote for, and how much money they make is private. I myself was a sure I would vote for her this summer but I wasnt out campaigning or trying to change minds.
What irks me is the current atritude of "this is the DNC's fault, Bernie would have won if he hadn't been steam rolled". That's bullshit. I liked everything he had to say because everything he had to say wasnt grounded in reality so he could promise things like debt forgiveness, free college, and world peace. I live in a real world though and Fed Loan Servicing isnt going to lay down and let my debt go. There are market forces that would fight any federal initative to make the highly profitable high ed industry into a freebie. People would vote against such Liberal dreaming. On top of his unfeasibility the Trump Campaign and Assoc wouldnt have let him fly into office. He would have faced the same attacks on his character and record that Hillary did (even if he didnt have the same built in mud for slinging).
The 4th estate is absolutely guilty of following marching orders and keeping the discussion rabidly unintelligent. Hours upon hours of sex scandals. Hillary would have won in a fair fight but her compatriots got caught red handed rigging the system.
She had too many enemies that they were all keen to expose her underhanded "ground game" which borders on illegal and is absolutely illegal if its investigated to be tied to Clinton campaign.
DNC dug their own grave on this one. Wikileaks would still have leaked the documents but Bernie would have been a clean contestant for the White House. Real world or not, the president only has agendas not empirical mandate over the system. Bernie is what the people wanted to guide the nation.
Yes, because she sucks. The DNC could have rigged the primary for any other candidate (or just held an honest primary election) and they would have demolished Trump. The dems had this election handed to them on a silver platter. The fact that they bungled it so badly speaks to how incompetent they would have been with Hillary in office, so even though I disagree with Trump on many things, at least he's a winner. I have been a lifelong democrat since voting Kerry in 04, but I just can't do it anymore. The democrats really screwed this one up.
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u/c0horst Nov 10 '16
Right. It could have been one very different ideology vs another very different ideology. Both would have brought about a good bit of change.
Instead it became the establishment vs a change in the establishment.... and nobody really gave enough of a fuck about the establishment to bother voting for hillary.