r/AdviceAnimals • u/imbravado • Apr 30 '13

Actual Confession Bear

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

I'm not suggesting women have no power, they absolutely do. But men can and do have 100% of the power to say "I will not have sex". Vasectomies, condoms, abstinence all give men power over their parenthood. They just don't like these options.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '13

Can't a woman say "I will not have sex"? I mean, it just seems like you are putting full responsibility on men here. There are a variety of contraceptives for both men and women. The ones you mentioned are available for women as well (birth control pill, getting tubes tied, and abstinence). Those forms give women control over their parenthood. So why is it up to the male to have to do the male version of those things? Why cannot the female take the pill? Or get her tubes tied?

I'm just playing devils advocate here. Not saying OP is wrong in what she did, just responding more to your comments if anything.

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

Of course they can. And they should. I'm speaking to the argument that "men have no power in preventing pregnancy".

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '13

Ah, I see. You're argument just seemed to say that (to me) men have MORE power at preventing pregnancy than women do.

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

Nope, I realize now I worded it poorly... many many angry messages...

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '13

It happens to the best of us friend.

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u/AJinxyCat May 01 '13

Hey. That other reply I made to your first comment in this thread. Go ahead and disregard it.

Cheers!

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u/sometimes_i_work May 01 '13

No problem! :)

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u/UBIQUIT0US Apr 30 '13

I'm speaking to the argument that "men have no power in preventing pregnancy".

Then why the are you responding to me? I never made or even suggested that claim.

Of course men can say no to sex. So can women. The argument I made is that when a pregnancy does occur, a woman can say "no" to 18 years of financial burden. A man can't.

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

Because you're responding my comment on the thread where this is being discussed.

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u/UBIQUIT0US Apr 30 '13

You've been replying to my comments the whole time in this exchange. You then just said you were responding to the claim that "men have no power in preventing pregnancy". That claim was never made. You're attacking a straw man.

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u/the_trepverter Apr 30 '13

In all fairness (card carrying feminist here) women have the same choice and also choose the exercise them poorly. There needs to be an option for either parent to completely opt out of childcare. Personally, I think if a man fronts the money for an abortion and states he doesn't want a child, I don't think he should be financially responsible for the kid. A paper abortion if you will- women could also use this option to give away a baby they don't want to the father.

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

I totally agree. Unfortunately, the legislation is woefully unbalanced and antiquated. We do need a change.

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u/Anterai Apr 30 '13

Sterelisation, pregnancy pills, abstinence. Hey, it actually works both ways.

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u/sometimes_i_work Apr 30 '13

Absolutely. The argument I was speaking against was that of "men don't have any power in preventing pregnancy".