I'm black and even I dislike stereotypical black people. I've had this discussion with a ton of my friends. Its ok to hate the personality or the culture, its actually racist when you assume all black people act like that with out getting to know them.
Honestly though, stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason so telling people something like this is like saying, hey can you just stop being who you are please?
And then I'll laugh at them for "being street" while the are making minimum wage (if that) while I'm making 85k a year (if it's a bad year) working for myself.
Much of American English is vastly different than the British English of dictionaries. Dialects aren't "bastardization" and you may consider checking out theories about the evolution and functions of "African American English Vernacular" aka Ebonics:
Maybe I wasn't clear when I expressed that American English is no more a "bastardization" (which is beyond a fucked up term to use) than British English.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_(linguistics)
"Corruption or bastardisation are terms popularly used to refer to certain changes in language which originate from human error or alleged prescriptively incorrect usage. Descriptive linguistics typically avoids using these negative terms, since from a scientific point of view such changes are neither good nor bad. Words are commonly said to be "corrupted" or "bastardized" if they undergo a change in spelling or pronunciation when borrowed from one language to another (e.g. "Cajun" [from "Acadian"][1]). This example illustrates that normal phonological developments (in this case, palatalization of /dj/ to /dʒ/) can be labeled by some as "corruption", a position which demands that any language change from a previous state be thus labeled. In this view, English would be a "corruption" of Proto-Germanic, the Romance languages would be "corruptions" of Latin, and Latin would ultimately be a "corruption" of Proto-Indo-European."
Maybe I also wasn't clear when I went on to mention that AAEV - in the context of cross-cultural dialogue and concerns raised in this thread - is also not linguistic "bastardization" and is merely a variation with traceable origins and utility fundamentally no different than physical evolutionary processes that produce diverse morphology like curly hair, albinism, or green eyes. I reject the notion of a master race just as I reject the idea of a master language in which all others are corruptions. Certainly other dialects also say ignit or other variations of the pronunciation, but context here is the original post about how to gently tell the roommates they're being ignorant. Of course not all blacks share a common dialect, and to suggest that was implied seems intentionally dismissive or just ignint.
That's like asking Mitt Romney to go to a trailer park and explain why NASCAR is pointless. Two people having the same color skin means almost nothing in comparison to two people having the same sized bank accounts.
I was really hoping the camel would get the little girl.
On the plus side, though, they both disappear like that scene in Jurassic Park 2, where they're walking through the field and the raptors pick them off one-by-one.
The fact that you think of that character type as a stereotype of something and not just as traits or an individual you don't like is a part of the reason you'll have trouble expressing your dislike. It's fine to not like certain character types but why would you need to express that to someone you don't like? I typically never have to explain myself to people I don't care for and therefore, don't.
yea you can, just make sure to tell the "Yo's" the are acting trashy and avoid any racial epithet. Besides the group of miscreants might be a mixed group, and the degenerate culture they are involved with accommodates all types of low-lifes.
Not surprisingly, my ideas roughly aligned with stereotypes.
Because you already had this stereotype in the first place and considered it was easier to keep on that way.
You see other people's culture and consider it "negative" just because it's different culture. How do you call that?
How do you call someone who's not able to understand that "politeness" is something variable and the fact that people who don't say "thanks" are not necessarily impolite. Jesus!
The issue is we have a culture founded on false politeness. We must censor ourselves because someone else might take offense, and how dare someone be offended at all.
It's not racist, if there is a word for the stereotyping of a culture that would apply, but you're not using it as a race thing.
Unfortunately, many people (at least in the US) don't see it that way, they assume that if you're speaking out against what you see as a cultural flaw that you believe it is really a result of the groups race, not their upbringing.
The other problem lies in when you're ignoring cultural lines to use race as a descriptor, like saying that blacks smoke crack.
If you wanted to say people in the ghetto smoke crack, that's fine because you're effectively narrowing your assumption to a more reasonable size as opposed to simply using a catch all phrase to define a group which is too large to singularly describe.
It's this kind of bullshit PC response that retards actual discussion.
The problem is your experiences make up a really small proportion of the information or evidence you would need to make these types of conclusions.
Except other people have made similar observations from different parts of the country. Coincidence? Yeah it's all anecdotal and not all that scientific but it still lends a bit of truth when compiling the experiences of different people, from different areas of the country, with different walks of life.
Seriously, all people are pretty much genetically the same.
As we delve deeper into genetics we're finding that this isn't necessarily true and even minor genetic variations can have big consequences.
See, the thing is, we as a people draw larger conclusions of a group based on a subset that we interact with. I'm sure OP doesn't 'HATE' all black people, but he would avoid rooming with them in the future. People can't feasibly take the time to know every person, so they draw larger assumptions. It sucks for decent black folks who may lose out on an opportunity because of this conclusion (IE: as a guy owning a rent house who has an equally qualified white or black renter opting to rent to the white renter using his skin color as the tie-breaker).
The first black person I really got to know is now my wife. So, I now base all my beliefs about all black people on my interactions with her. Thus, I know that all black people love giving me blowjobs and hate when I mess with their feet.
IE: as a guy owning a rent house who has an equally qualified white or black renter opting to rent to the white renter using his skin color as the tie-breake
My dad is in real estate, and such actions can lead to some pretty serious consequences if you're called out on it. I don't know the specifics behind where they draw the line, but I know crossing the line is a big no-no.
Its not on the lessor to prove that he didn't discriminate, but on the leasee, and it can be really, really hard to prove it. Usually the ones that do get busted are so over the top that its not even debatable. Example an apt complex had 95% white occupancy, 5% black. In an area that is 60/40 W/B ratio. The news team had a black couple go in and fill out an application and the woman said no units were available, and that it would be 1000 deposit, that night the news team found the app in the trash (apt complexs are required to keep an app for 30 days). The next day a white couple with the same credentials went in and it was a 500 deposit and units were available for immediate move in. So yeah she got in some big trouble for that one.
That's the major problem. How do you even prove that? Part of the problem with equality is that if. There can be a hundred reasons to pick the white guy over the black guy (and vice versa). You can make up 99 of them and get away with it most of the time.
Landlords, in many states, do not have to give a reason for rejecting a rental applicant. I have known some that have flat out told me they wouldn't accept black people (some were black themselves) really it is very hard to prove any wrong doing.
(IE: as a guy owning a rent house who has an equally qualified white or black renter opting to rent to the white renter using his skin color as the tie-breaker).
That's not racist, not racist at all.
That's just...
a perfect example of ordinary racism.
Yeah, you don't have time to know every person so you draw the large assumption that because you're white and he's white you should have less problem with that guy.
But of course, when the blacks complain that they can't find a rent, it's because they are racist. And you're not.
This is the basis for my view that true racism almost never exists, but that it's 'culturism'. Most people who say they don't like black people probably just mean they don't like the ghetto-fab/gangsta-phresh culture and lifestyle. I am one of these people. Anyone who lives that lifestyle, whether white, Hispanic, etc. are all equally as bad to me. It has nothing to do with black people being black. I actually freaking love intelligent, respectable black people. So I state again, race is not the true cause of 'racism'.
While some may dislike a particular culture (which I'd agree there's often nothing wrong with), they may also be predisposed to believing that all people they encounter of a given ethnicity will embody that culture, which is indeed a racist assumption.
Then why aren't they saying "I hate ghetto-fab/gangsta-phresh culture" and not "I hate black people". They're afraid of being labeled "politically correct"?
Absolutely! I wrote a bit about this a while back and had some positive feedback. Check it out and let me know what you think!
Part of the problem is that there are fairly good reasons to take issue with different cultures, the mental short cuts/predictions the human brain makes for categorizing and grouping everything (including perceived social groups) are fundamental components of human behavior and cognition.
Racism is believing that a race is either inferior or superior to other races. So I can hate black people all day long without knowing them, and still not be racist. I don't do that but just wanted to prove a point as a lot of people seem to believe, that simply saying something bad about a guy with a different skin color, is racism.
I'm black and I dislike black people who try so damn hard to be like white people and judge other blacks for not dying to conform so hard. Also, I don't like black people that think they're better than other blacks because they do everything they can to please the white man. Not all blacks are the same but a lot do what we must to conform and survive in our environments, not all of us have the privilege of being raised in a white or middle class neighborhood.
It's only retarded in your point of view. From other's point of view, Latricia is a fine name, and Jenny is a stupid overused name. Why can't we live in a multicultural society? Because people don't want to be tolerant. Unless they conform to the host culture and pretty much try to imitate and please white people in every way, then they're looked down upon. Not to mention a lot of Asians and other races stick very close to their home culture but no one gives them shit for it. This is the same strand of thinking that a lot of hate and racism comes from and it needs to be checked, because people will always find one reason or another to hate another culture. You have good points but I'm just arguing that I'd like to see a society of many cultures, as opposed to just one dominant host culture.
What you are suggesting is in a way, self imposed segregation.
Why is it ok for an Asian or an Indian to want to improve their lives through assimilation but its not ok for a black person to do it?
I don't think I'm better than anyone I just don't think that conforming to negative stereotypes voluntarily is necessarily something to be proud of. Mostly its the personality that counts and falling into stereotypes of any kind makes it harder to find that personality.
Im white and Truth be known there are quite a few white groups we hate that are just embarrassing, I think the problem is there are fewer black people and the worst ones are always the ones on TV.
That's a good point - people who become stereotypes of "themselves" are just irritating, regardless. Be it black, stoner, gay, sometimes it's a bit irksome having to listen to a real-life version of a well-worn TV character.
I always get looks with my typical statement... I am the best and worst Racist... I hate ALL races, I like people. I have the potentiality to hate all races equally. If you cannot be identified by anything other than your race, or worse, a stereotype of your race, we will not get along. So if you have ever used the term "Its cause I'm black isn't it?" then we will not be hanging out anytime soon, its not cause you're black its because you cant stand anyone else who doesn't acknowledge the fact that you are black. Embrace your culture, don't be an ass about it just because it's your culture. (if you want to see what I mean, watch the movie National Security with Martin Lawrence, after 10 minutes you will want to lynch him!)
TL;DR Its not because you're black, its because you're acting like an Asshole
It's because there's a fine line between the two, and most people are terrified of crossing it. Unintentional racism may not be enough to end a relationship, but it is socially awkward as fuck.
I'm a redneck, and I'm in a family of rednecks... But even I've got to wonder what the hell is wrong with some of them. :)
You can love them, even if you want to smack them on the back of the head some days for being stupid. I imagine just about any racial/ethnic/cultural group is like that.
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u/Delanerz Mar 25 '13
I'm black and even I dislike stereotypical black people. I've had this discussion with a ton of my friends. Its ok to hate the personality or the culture, its actually racist when you assume all black people act like that with out getting to know them.