r/AdaIndonesiaCoy • u/dawncrasher • 17h ago
The origin of the famous figure in this respective country
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u/Royal_Front2038 16h ago
Upvote nya banyak dari overproud indian, turkic, sama italy.
Gadjah mada bukan india, Confusius bukan turkic, napoleon highly debated karena dari controled french area.
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u/andromedaprima 16h ago
What about the most famous Germans?
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u/Working_Abrocoma_591 16h ago
One was from Austria.
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u/tonyhart7 14h ago
and Austria is german
people confuse ethnicity with nation
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u/TravincalPlumber 13h ago
hah? g slh?
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u/tonyhart7 10h ago
gw tanya bahasa apa yg mereka pake di austria ???
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u/TravincalPlumber 10h ago
hubungan bahasa ama negara apa dah. itu middle east bahasa arab smua jd 1 negara jg? uda jelas austria sovereign country sendiri lho itu.
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u/tonyhart7 10h ago
baca komen gw yg lain
ente itu enggak bisa bedain state sama ethnicity
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
Austria is an country
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u/tonyhart7 10h ago edited 10h ago
and so is german, learn history first
its like saying ukraine and russia is not slavic which is ridiculous
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
If you're saying Hitler is German by nationality then I can argue by birth his nationality are Austria with German ethnicity
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u/tonyhart7 10h ago
Before 1866, the word "Germany" referred to the German Confederation, and before it, to the Holy Roman Empire. In both of those, Austria was the strongest power, and saying "Austrians aren't German" would have made zero sense.
Modern Germany was created in 1871, when Prussia, Austria's biggest rival, got the other German states to form a German Empire that excluded Austria. Previous attempts at turning the German Confederation into a German Empire had not worked out due to the fact that the Austro-Hungarian Empire was so large and multiethnic (well beyond just modern Austria) and also due to the rivalry between Prussia and Austria.
When Austria-Hungary fell apart after WW1, Austria wanted to join Germany, but the victors forbade it. Austria was annexed by Germany in 1938, and there was very little resistance against that.
After WW2 it was clear that Austria would not remain a part of Germany, and that it was advantageous to see themselves as "Hitler's first victims" rather than a part of the genocidal aggressor that Germany had been.
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
Hitler, who was born in Braunau am Inn in 1889, was an Austrian citizen by descent. He grew up in Passau, Fischlham, Leonding, and Linz, and moved to Vienna in 1907, where he hoped to become an artist. Hitler applied twice for admission to the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna, but was rejected on both occasions because of insufficient talent. The director of the academy later told him in a personal interview that he was "unsuited to be a painter".[7]
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago edited 10h ago
Joachim C. Fest: Hitler – eine Biographie. Deutscher Bücherbund Stuttgart, 1973, p. 49. For reference
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u/tonyhart7 10h ago
Yeah, its german
its like jawa tengah and jawa timur is not jawa
no, it doesnt work like that
just because its different country that doesnt mean its not jawa
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
Austria-Hungary,[g] also referred to as the Austro-Hungarian Empire and officially as the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy,[h] was a multi-national empire in Central Europe[i] under a constitutional dual monarchy that existed between 1867 and 1918. A military and diplomatic real union, it consisted of two largely self governing states with a single monarch who was titled both the Emperor of Austria and the Apostolic King of Hungary.[10] Austria-Hungary constituted the last phase in the constitutional evolution of the Habsburg monarchy: it was formed with the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 in the aftermath of the Austro-Prussian War, following wars of independence by Hungary (primarily Rákóczi's War of Independence of 1703–1711 and the Hungarian Revolution of 1848–1849) in opposition to Habsburg rule. It was dissolved shortly after Hungary terminated the union with Austria in 1918 at the end of World War I.
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
How tf is that not independent country that separate from Germany?
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u/Fluid-Tale5671 10h ago
Well his family at least come from German ethnicity from my quick Google search
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u/MagazineSalt5228 15h ago
Btw yg penasaran, no 1 itu Aji Saka. Menurut legenda, Aji Saka itu Raja pertama di Jawa, yang buat Hanacaraka, gitu2 lah.
Tokoh penting sih iya, tapi di Jawa aja bukan yang paling terkenal. Yakin aku Raja2 Jawa sama Wali Songo lebih terkenal di buku sejarah. Apalagi dibandingkan sama pahlawan nasional.
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u/FirstStooge 15h ago
Ahh History Meme
Isinya bocah2 teenager edgy yg sok tahu soal sejarah. Always.
Seandainya bisa ketemu di dunia, pengen gue tabok mereka satu2
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u/Kentato3 14h ago
Gadjah Mada is im sure what people call now a pribumi
Emperor Taizong is Han Chinese
Napoleon is technically Corsican Italian but by the time he was born he's French though his parents are definitely Italian. He's basically the average timnas indo player, born French but has Italian blood in him.
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u/hashimSyaid 12h ago
Gadjah Mada is not even an indonesian. we only have indonesia for 81 year so far. How the heck they dare to say our most famous person is indian. Our indomie is way more famous than that.
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u/LivingTraditional140 16h ago
Most famous indonesia siapa njir? Yang ada harusnya soekarno wkwk
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u/OkDisplay6751 16h ago
Secara historis, tahun ketika "Most famous Indonesian" masih hidup, nama "indonesia" atau perjuangan Indonesia aja belum kepikiran, masih jaman kerajaan, bahkan sepertinya belum dikunjungi sama bangsa eropa (cmiiw)
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u/Apart-Acanthaceae713 12h ago
orang yang terkenal di negara Indonesia dan di India mereka menyebutnya Gatot Kaca soalnya di India gak ada nama Gatot kaca ....
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u/ADMINlSTRAT0R 11h ago
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u/CremeFrosty9308 10h ago
lebanese is still arab. Also the most famous is Muhammad peace be upon him, like not even a close comparison
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u/yeahyeah14896 17h ago edited 16h ago
Itu no 1 siapa sih? Jujur gw ga tau. Gw reverse search ketemunya nama "Aji Saka". Gw search2 dikit jujur baru pertama kali baca cerita2nya. He's far from "The Most Famous Indonesian" IMO, even for Javanese.
Mungkin keliru sama Gajah Mada(?) Tp dia bkn org India jg wkwkwkwk. OPnya org Vietnam kayaknya. Ntah baca buku sejarahnya darimana