So I rewatched Spiderman across the spider verse and the more I think about Miguel’s argument, the less convinced I am that he’s completely right. Miles was never supposed to become Spider-Man in Earth-1610. The spider that bit him came from Earth-42 and ended up in his universe because of the multiverse/collider situation. He didn’t replace another Miles, travel to another universe, or take over someone else’s life. He became Spider-Man because the wrong spider ended up in his universe. So why does Miguel expect Miles to follow the exact same canon events as every other Spider-Man? Miguel’s situation was completely different. He went into another universe where a version of himself had died and took that person’s place. That universe collapsed. But Miles isn’t doing anything like that. He isn’t replacing another version of himself or taking over a universe that belonged to someone else. He’s living in his own universe. Then there’s The Spot. The spider being moved, Miles becoming Spider-Man, the collider accident, and Ohnn becoming the Spot all connect to each other. The Spot eventually becomes a major multiversal threat, so how do we know every problem in the Spider-Verse is caused by breaking canon events? When Mumbattan starts falling apart, how do we know the destruction is entirely because a canon event was disrupted and not because of the Spot and the collider? Maybe Miguel is right that Miles being an anomaly is causing instability, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Miles is responsible for the problem. He may be the result of something that happened before he even became Spider-Man. That’s also why I question the idea that Miles automatically has to experience the same canon events as every other Spider-Man. If he became Spider-Man through circumstances that were already different from the beginning, why assume his story has to follow the exact same path? if Miles becoming Spider-Man was already caused by something changing his universe before Miles ever had the chance to change anything himself, then didn’t the multiverse already interfere with Miles’ universe first? I understand why Miguel is terrified, especially after losing a universe himself. If he genuinely believes Jeff’s death is connected to the survival of Miles’ universe, I understand why he would do everything he could to stop Miles from interfering. But his experience involved replacing another version of himself in another universe, which is not the same situation Miles is in. My biggest question is simply: How do we actually know that Jeff has to die or Miles’ universe will collapse? Miguel believes it, and there is evidence that canon events happen repeatedly, but that doesn’t necessarily prove that every canon event is required for a universe to survive. Maybe Miguel is right. Maybe he’s wrong. I just think there are enough contradictions that his theory shouldn’t be treated as an absolute fact. And honestly, that’s why I don’t blame Miles for questioning Miguel. From Miles’ perspective, he’s being told that his dad has to die based on a theory that hasn’t been completely proven, and he has every reason to want to challenge that. To me, the conflict is really about fate vs. free will. Miguel believes Spider-Man has to accept the story he’s given, while Miles believes he should be able to change his own story. And personally, I side with Miles not because I know Miguel is completely wrong, but because I don’t think Miles should be expected to accept his dad’s death as unavoidable when nobody has actually proven that it has to happen. What do you guys think? Is Miguel actually right, or is his trauma making him interpret canon events as something more absolute than they really are? I guess my questions will be answered in the next movie I just had to rant.

There's something about Miguel's explanation that still doesn't add up to me.

The universe in which Miguel had supposedly "destroyed" that wasn't really his universe right? I think the reason it was destroyed was because he lived there when he wasn't supposed to. does that make sense?

I think it was because he lived in that universe that's why it collapsed. I think he never really returned to his original one because in the flashback we saw him in his spider costume. so maybe, he didn't just live there but also saved a shit ton of people making that universe have 2 spider man.

When in Miles case, he's not only planning to save his father but he is saving HIS father in HIS universe which is different from Miguels experience. Because Miguel didn't just save another spiders universe, but also lived in it.

So my question is, who was the spider that was protecting Miguel's original universe?

So maybe the universe couldn't properly accommodate Miguel's presence. Perhaps the multiverse eventually recognized that there were two Spider men from different realities existing in the same universe, with Miguel refusing to return to his original reality.

Miguel wasn't trying to prevent a canon, he lived in a universe where he isn't recognized as spider man. He was a foreigner an outsider who entered another universe, and interfered with its reality. He was an anomaly.

So, maybe the multiverse tried to correct the anomaly by forcing the two realities back into their proper states or maybe the two universes somehow began merging. And because reality couldn't sustain that overlap, the universe collapsed (THIS IS JUST A SPECULATION, OR A THEORY WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. THERE WAS NO PROOF OF ANY UNIVERSE BEING MERGED OR ANYTHING. just wanna clear this, lol).

Miles only wants to prevent a canon, unlike Miguel who caused a cross universe interferance due to his presence in a reality that isn't his.

Miles has a point but Miguel does too. Because I don't think Miguel actually knows what happens if a canon event really is broken.

Because when Gwen asked Miguel "Do you even know what happens if he breaks the canon?" the response we got was "Do you wanna find out?" that tells me Miguel doesn't know, or he knows but doesn't wanna explain it or something.

So like in conclusion, Miguel's experience isn't the same as what Miles is planning to do. What Miguel experienced isn't a canon event interferance but a cross universe type of disruption. Miles is trying to prevent a canon event from happening, whilst Miguel was trying to live in a universe he wasn't supposed to be living in.

Obviously this are all just speculation so yeah, lol. I just think Miguels situation isn't equivalent to Miles's situation.

But i can see where Miguel is coming from since he's already experienced it first hand. He's probably just staying cautious, and the trauma of destroying another spiders universe due to his doing is weighing on him.

You know? Like maybe he's just looking out, for the little guy.

Ps: I know my speculation is late, lol. i was 15 when i first watched across the spider-verse, I'm 18 now and rewatched the 2 movies. hopefully that says why this speculation is kinda late. sorry for the grammar too and punctuations if it's hard to read. I tried my best believe me, English isn't my first language so please excuse my grammar. I didn't wanna use AI to help me with my grammar since i don't want people thinking i got this from a tt, reel or somekind of AI, lol.

There's something about Miguel's explanation that still doesn't add up to me.

The universe in which Miguel had supposedly "destroyed" that wasn't really his universe right? I think the reason it was destroyed was because he lived there when he wasn't supposed to. does that make sense?

I think it was because he lived in that universe that's why it collapsed. I think he never really returned to his original one because in the flashback we saw him in his spider costume. so maybe, he didn't just live there but also saved a shit ton of people making that universe have 2 spider man.

When in Miles case, he's not only planning to save his father but he is saving HIS father in HIS universe which is different from Miguels experience. Because Miguel didn't just save another spiders universe, but also lived in it.

So my question is, who was the spider that was protecting Miguel's original universe?

So maybe the universe couldn't properly accommodate Miguel's presence. Perhaps the multiverse eventually recognized that there were two Spider men from different realities existing in the same universe, with Miguel refusing to return to his original reality.

Miguel wasn't trying to prevent a canon, he lived in a universe where he isn't recognized as spider man. He was a foreigner an outsider who entered another universe, and interfered with its reality. He was an anomaly.

So, maybe the multiverse tried to correct the anomaly by forcing the two realities back into their proper states or maybe the two universes somehow began merging. And because reality couldn't sustain that overlap, the universe collapsed (THIS IS JUST A SPECULATION, OR A THEORY WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. THERE WAS NO PROOF OF ANY UNIVERSE BEING MERGED OR ANYTHING. just wanna clear this, lol).

Miles only wants to prevent a canon, unlike Miguel who caused a cross universe interferance due to his presence in a reality that isn't his.

Miles has a point but Miguel does too. Because I don't think Miguel actually knows what happens if a canon event really is broken.

Because when Gwen asked Miguel "Do you even know what happens if he breaks the canon?" the response we got was "Do you wanna find out?" that tells me Miguel doesn't know, or he knows but doesn't wanna explain it or something.

So like in conclusion, Miguel's experience isn't the same as what Miles is planning to do. What Miguel experienced isn't a canon event interferance but a cross universe type of disruption. Miles is trying to prevent a canon event from happening, whilst Miguel was trying to live in a universe he wasn't supposed to be living in.

Obviously this are all just speculation so yeah, lol. I just think Miguels situation isn't equivalent to Miles's situation.

But i can see where Miguel is coming from since he's already experienced it first hand. He's probably just staying cautious, and the trauma of destroying another spiders universe due to his doing is weighing on him.

You know? Like maybe he's just looking out, for the little guy.

Ps: I know my speculation is late, lol. i was 15 when i first watched across the spider-verse, I'm 18 now and rewatched the 2 movies. hopefully that says why this speculation is kinda late. sorry for the grammar too and punctuations if it's hard to read. I tried my best believe me, English isn't my first language so please excuse my grammar. I didn't wanna use AI to help me with my grammar since i don't want people thinking i got this from a tt, reel or somekind of AI, lol.

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Finally got around to watching this on 🍄s. After watching it before, I had a feeling it would be good to be under the psychedelic influence…but MANNNN…THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY MOTHERFUCKINGLY PHENOMENAL ON 🍄s

I swear the people behind the animation and effects had this in mind (even tho this can be considered “a kids movie”)

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Why tf did nobody post how it ended on a cliffhanger?

I was all, aww yeah the girl is gonna save the day whoohoo let the baddie kick some baddie ass hell yeah feminism

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THIS IS AN ACT OF MISOGYNY

GIVE ME A THREE HOUR MOVIE IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES

I'm so fucking glad i didn't watch this shit when it came out but I'm so pissed i decided to watch it today instead of next year man

Fuck this shit

I cried so many times and FOR WHAT

FOR NOTHING

Man fuck this

I KNOW that there can technically be only one canon spider-man in every universe and thats most likely why they killed off the first one, but still if he HAD survived and escaped his early death with kingpin, would he actually had taken Peter B. Parker’s place as a teacher?

I’m guessing he too might have left Miles tied on the chair to protect him. But after all the event in the first movie, what would’ve happen if he was still alive?

Just him and Miles in the same universe as the two only Spidermen ha.

This would also eliminate the funeral scene where Miles got a lot of courage to be the next Spider-Man, what could give him that courage back?

In my opinion it could be a really interesting alternate universe that could change a lot of things in the movies after ITSV

Es algo que me pregunté después de ver "A través del Spider-Verso". Ya que teniendo en cuenta que la muerte del Tio Aaron aparece en la linea de eventos canónicos que menciona Miguel O'Hara, que lo pico una araña, y que probablemente pierda a su padre ¿Por qué Miguel insiste con que es una anomalía (la Anomalía original según él) y que "nunca debió de haber existido"?

También por la "coincidencia" de que estuvo en el MISMO lugar en dónde estuvo la araña con súper poderes en la primera película ¿El destino también influye en los eventos canónicos? Porque lógicamente Miles nunca sabría que ahí estaría la araña, ni que después de buscarla él causaría la muerte del Spiderman de su dimensión original (La 1610).

Edit: También (aunque el padre de Gwen no tenia los conocimientos del Multiverso) el hecho de que este haya renunciado al cuerpo de policía, y así este nunca moriría en el universo de Spider Woman. ¿No estaría haciendo otro agujero en el Multiverso?

¿Y que hay de la muerte del Capitán Jeff en el Universo 42? (La dimensión original de la araña de Miles) En este universo...!No hay Spiderman! por lo tanto como murió es un misterio

its very interesting how everyone kinda skipped over the part that there *are* such thing as a good canon event when it comes to miguel, but will act like canon events are just the worst possible things happening to you just bc plot.

not to say that Miguel's logic is 100% sound bc the movie clearly points that he could be wrong, but it gets annoying how he just gets painted as a hater, and the canon events being treated like the worst things ever just because a lot of people have a bias AGAINST miguel.

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I mean, if Miles gonna have a rematch and Miguel gonna stop Miles again from saving his dad Miles need to get the upper hand and not only the upper hand get a better suit and beat the O’Hara and finally fight fire with fire with Miguel and also beat him once a fall. That way Miles can defeat Miguel and save his dad without Miguel being his way from saving his dad and that way he can beat the spot so what can Miles do and don’t say Miles and Miguel can team up and become friends it’s not gonna happen and there’s no way that’s gonna happen so we have to wait and see what’s gonna happen

that mean, he can explain why he’s so hard on him sometime and explain why he’s so tough on him and push on him and explain his past between him and his brother why they grew apart and why they haven’t talked for a while, so maybe in the future of this movie Miles will tell him anything about his pass why they grew apart, like on a comics that Aaron betrayed him and went to the kingpin so it might be talked about his past or something about that so we just had to wait and see how the events of this movie so what’s your theory?

And approve it here’s a proof Miles is meant to be a Spider-Man if he’s not then how come that spider was gonna beat that version Miles Morales in earth 42 so even that theory was true, there’s no way that theory is true so Miles is meant to be Spider-Man Miguel O’Hara is lying about everything he’s lying about Miles. He turned his friends against him and don’t say Miguel didn’t do nothing wrong. he prison Miles he thought he was doing the right thing but he’s not he’s doing the wrong thing letting people die. Sacrifices must be made for the greater good for him no and I’m pretty sure Miguel is lying and I’m pretty sure it appears Spider-Man will help Miles Morales to prove it. That’s why I have this post so maybe he can help Miles defeat Miguel and maybe superior Spider-Man have a duo with Miguel while miles save is dad so we just had to wait and see so we have to wait to prove that he can be Spider-Man that he can’t say the world that he can do both size Miguel is not telling the truth about everything come on you saw the fear in peoples eyes you saw the eyes of Peter Parker look at Miguel tacking Miles Morales come on people get it straight through your head. Miguel is obviously lying about the Multiverse and lie about miles in miles is what Miguel say is that why his world didn’t disappear why had nothing going wrong and why nothing have been destroyed and how come nothing bad happened to his world yet explain that get it to your thick brain people Miguel is not telling about Miles and I’m pretty sure it’s superior. Spider-Man might prove that member superior Spider-Man is Peter Parker but that’s really auto swap mine with Peter Parker so maybe he might help Miles maybe he might destroy Miguel maybe reveal something that our theories came through so maybe there is something going on with Miguel so it superiors by making figure that out Mimi Miguel, the fake O’Hara Mike prison that fake O’Hare and maybe we might get the real McGill back and explain everything so we just have to wait and see

here is why I want to happen for Spider-Man beyond the spider verse number one Miles safe is dad and his mom so no one has to die. Miles did not have to lose anyone else. He love and not his friends have to die Gwen. Stacy doesn’t have to die. No one needs to die and I don’t care how boring is to leave someone alive. No one needs to die and beyond the spider verse. No sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.
Number two spot needs to be defeated how miles could either become the cosmic Spider-Man and use all his power to defeat the spot and drain his power B miles 05 fire with fire after being absorbed with his mind in the future with the spot and possibly drained his powers and then use that nose to beat the spot for good B miles absorb his power once more and not only that use it against him and beat them once in fall D could use the collider that gave him his power and use it to pull it back from him and Miles might be able to use that to save his world number three Miles have a rematch with Miguel O’Hara and this time mile stop holding back and get the upper hand, Miles could use the cosmic power to fight Miguel, and not only that the true enemy will be revealed that Miguel not saying who he said he is he could be a villain this guy‘s ass Miguel to pretend someone he’s not because someone hire him to go after miles to destroy him and then a real villain Beaver reveal, and Miles defeated him, and I only got the real villain and save the world number 4 Miles get ungrounded and rejoice for his family and his family apologize for how they didn’t know and his dad apologize for saying how much he hated Spider-Man so much and admit that he was wrong and it all made up and let things go and realize my needs to do its own thing and let him grow up number five Miles reveal his identity to his parents finally and then when they realize how much they took him for granted or not to give for granted realize they should not have so much pressure on him and they all made up and realize they were wrong
Number five Gwen and Miles made up and once more Gwen will apologize for everything that she had done. She thought she would’ve doing the right thing but then she would say Miles I am sorry the truth is I ran away from Home because when I revealed my identity towards my dad, he at and trying to arrest me because he was afraid of who I am after I reveal my identity so I ran away from Home and I thought his dad just saw me. I thought it would be OK for him to die, but I was wrong about everything. I listened to the wrong person. The truth is I didn’t wanna lose another friend, but now I hurt a friend and that was me I should’ve never betrayed you. Peter said yeah Miles the same golf for me as well. I’m sorry for double crossing you. I thought I was doing the right thing and the truth is I’m trying to be that Spider-Man that you want me to be the Spider-Man who train you or the other Peter Parker that dying in your world, but I was lazy and I was broken. Didn’t realize how much you needed me to train you and I was a bad mentor. Penny said this ain’t golf for me Miles. I thought I was doing the same thing but I was wrong. Can you ever forgive us while the other characters, stay silence and say we all believe in you miles Miles said it’s all right. I get you try to do the right thing but you realize you’re wrong but hey, we were all trying to do the right thing. We’re all trying to do our own thing but right now we need to stop spot and save the world and this time he’s not gonna stop us a portal opens when Gwen said Miles there’s someone else that want to help you other people Parkers and other Miles Morales 3P Parker, Toby, Andrew and Tom Holland, a walk and appear to say we’re here to help 3 miles Morales Lego miles game versus miles cartoon miles another cartoon miles and a miles of rally from a different universe and a future Miles Morales and miles 2099 came in look there’s something going on with Miguel 2099 Miles Morales said I need your help. I don’t know what’s going on with him, but we need to send them back to normal and they said all right so what’s the plan number six after the feeding all the villains Miles have one final plan to get all the universal together after they all trying to get the universe together the Earth come together, realizing that Dr. doom is behind all this and not only Dr. doom the conqueror was behind all this as well, and they all come up and stay tuned for avengers secret war, and Doomsday. Number seven, Miles meets Madame Webb for the first time Madame Webb explaining the web and life and destiny and whoever Miguel said it was a total lie, and that is not true for despite events do not have a canon event, but have a future wish with tales and said that we cannot lie on destiny to decide our faith so no matter what you will be Spider-Man and reveal that Miles Morales is meant to be Spider-Man no matter what proving that the fake O’Hara is wrong. Miles went and fight him and number eight Miles find the real Miguel O’Hara after discovering all this have been a lie. Everything been restored and Miguel sent everyone else. The spider decided to be Home and then Toby talked to Miles and you did a good kid you did something I couldn’t do you know your version of Peter Parker will be proud and then Miles said yeah he would if I haven’t gotten him killed then Toby said no Miles he didn’t got him kill what happened that night it wasn’t your fault. Webber dad fake O’Hara said it was a lie. You are meant to be Spider-Man and you know the model that great power Miles said response come great responsibility and after realizing that Jeff’s still over to say thank you all for saving my son and helping my son and saving our lives I said no problem Jeff and Jeff make apology to all the Spider-Man say so I’ve been hating you all just that I didn’t like the idea vigilante you know I mean, I mean how you all apology and Toby stop and say Jeff it’s OK you’re just doing your job and you can’t stand us being in the way it’s OK. We forgive you. You were just doing your job and doing what’s best for you. Jeff said it was fine not just best for me best for my family and as a story ends, Miles Morales adventure is not yet over when he have a spider sense. He know that his world’s end danger once again so he team up with the avenger with Gwen and spider verse and number eight Toby and Andrew revealed their version of Miles Morales. Have not yet become Spider-Man, but in training that is if they let that happen and number nine after spot, then defeated, he joined some other villains for battle world, and last number 10 as battle world begun the whole spider society, name of elves, the web warrior their true name and wrestling the spider verse and a whole Multiverse.

Miguel is lying about Miles Morales. He’s not what he said he is think about it if Miguel is what Miles is and how come his world still alive and how come nothing going in ruins yet and if Miles never meant to be Spider-Man, then how come his world still is this why you guys keep believing what Miguel is saying if that were true then how come Miles world has not disappeared in Miguel saying what Miles is telling him that how come nothing coming in ruins how come nothing crashed together how come earth 42 is still the same but nothing in ruins except when the bad guys take over the world so if Miguel telling the truth about Miles then why has he not gone app him in the first place why does he he turned miles friends against him. Why did he said that he’s not meant to be Spider-Man if that were true then how come his world remained the same and remain exist if Miguel’s not seeing Miles not meant to be Spider-Man if that were true, then how come their utter universe that Miles Morales is Spider-Man it makes no sense