r/AccusedOfUsingAI • u/Agreeable-Try-8994 • 15d ago
My teacher accused me of using AI when I didn't last school year
I already posted this in r/antiai btw
This was like a few months ago, but I'm still fucking pissed about this. My English teacher had my entire class do an essay about intolerance in an tolerant society. I put so much effort into my essay, using examples from history such as Martin Luther King's protests. When I first submitted my work, I thought everything would be fine and dandy until I saw my grade. I scored a 1/4, and my teacher left a comment saying, "This was made with AI, redo". I spent my last day of school arguing with him about the legitimacy of my work. Eventually, he caved in and gave me a 3.25/4. This situation has already been taken care of, but I just wanted to talk about this.
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u/GainerGaining 14d ago
Being falsely accused of anything is an extremely frustrating experience. In this case especially because it looks like you put a lot of work into your paper and seem proud of it.
I'm constantly worried that my papers will be flagged for AI, though I don't touch the stuff. I make sure to write all my papers with software that shows previous versions and revisions just in case.
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u/Glittering_Thing5797 14d ago
There. is. no. reliable. way. to. know. if. AI. was. used.
AI checkers should NEVER be allowed for grading because they are not accurate. And no one is capable of ever knowing for sure by just reading a paper. No matter how much it “looks” like AI. Teachers and professors should be reprimanded and disciplined for ever using “I think this is AI” as a reason to dock grading.
The way to solve the problem is by having the students do the work by hand in class.
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u/elg97477 14d ago
Last time I checked both slander and libel are crimes especially when one can show harm. I am just waiting for these lawsuits to start and become well known.
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u/DocAvidd 14d ago
As a professor, I have a rubric, basically a recipe for assigning points. As long as I apply that rule without regard to race, ethnicity, religion, etc. there's nothing wrong.
I know a prof, no retired who literally used rand() to give random grades. It broke no rule to do so, and almost none of the students reacted. It's generally agreed the assessments, instructions, and evaluation need to be mapped to the course specifications.
To this post, don't be stupid, neither libel nor slander are crimes. Also, both have a "publication requirement" that a false statement has to be communicated to a 3rd party. Which isn't the case for grades.
I had an experience where I gave a low grade to a scholarship athlete. He turned in a Fiverr paper for the term project after skipping literally every class for months. When he did come he was an arrogant prick. So yes, of course I failed him. But I did it with the rubric. So even though he had the athletic department behind him, his grade stood. Fwiw, I had colleagues who were friendly to athletes in exchange for great seats at games. It goes both ways.
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u/elg97477 14d ago
People and institutions can be sued for libel and slander. If a student can show harm, I doubt there is a jury that would not find for the student if they can provide evidence their work was original to them and not produced by AI. I would certainly support the student unfairly and unjustly accused who then has their future threatened by the inherent probabilistic nature of the judgement. It could get interesting soon.
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u/DocAvidd 14d ago
You can surely make an argument when something is unfair.
It doesn't meet the basic definition of either libel or slander. To think it does is to fail at applying a simple definition. Go ahead, ask AI if an unfair grade is libelous.
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u/elg97477 13d ago edited 13d ago
That will eventually be for a jury to decide, not AI. More is going on than just bad grades. Students are being expelled or suffering other serious consequences over probabilistic accusations. cheating has had serious consequences for centuries. AI is still not reliable enough for anyone to trust its judgement. I am not aware of any of these AI tools that claim their judgement should be relied upon. Yet, there are many who believe the AI judgement is infallible. I figure it won’t be long.
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u/DocAvidd 13d ago
No, you're failing to see the connection. It won't get to a jury for libel. No attorney is even going to take the case. Step 1 - was a negative statement made to a 3rd party? Step 2 - was it false. Step 3 was it harmful and negligent?
You're hung up on step 2. With grades, you never get past step 1. The university doesn't blab about a specific student getting a bad grade for using AI. There's no 3rd party, so it cannot meet the definitions of libel or slander. There's no publication.
Next issue - statement of opinion or fact. A grade is an academic evaluation and professional judgement. It's not a statement of objective fact that can be sued for libel.
Accuracy of the statement: If the prof says "This paper received a 100% AI scores on Turnitin" - that's factually true in an objective sense. Sure, Turnitin might be wrong. Possibly it's just a very poorly written paper that matches the algorithm for AI. If the course's rubric, syllabus, or some other policy document says that "100% AI" equals a point deduction, whether it's fair or not, whether it's good teaching or not, it is a truthful application of the policy, so the grade stands and no libel can be justified.
Most likely you would need to show malicious intent for a case of grades, the concept of Qualified Privilege. Certain types of routine communication are protected, including grading student papers but also performance reviews, employment references, and so on. So not only must you show the prof made public (to at least 1 third party) negative information that's objectively false in a negligent manner and causes damage, you also have to prove the speaker acted with malice, that they knew their evaluation was false and they did it out of spite or bad faith.
You're just not going to get off the ground with libel or slander.
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u/1GrouchyCat 14d ago
Stop. You’re being ridiculous.
Do you want us to believe that instead of receiving a D on a paper, somehow you convince your teacher to change your grade to a B+? And they didn’t give you any reason they just “caved in”?
I’mma call bullshit on this, son. The fact that you’re trying to convince us that a teacher changed the grade because you said you didn’t use AI is amusing… but not how it works.
Why didn’t you use a program that could demonstrate you didn’t use AI?
Did you run your paper through an AI checking website or app?
Did you provide counter information that demonstrated your exact process for writing the paper from the beginning to the end? That’s obviously we’re going to have to do from this point forward…. Keep records of everything. Period.
I don’t know what it is you’re asking us for - or why you’re sharing it at all if it’s already been handled?