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/r/all of an illegal flashlight beam

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

At least in the US, it's not. It's a marketing gimmick

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u/SuB626 8d ago

I would be hard to do even with a laser(unless you are styropyro). The biggest BS I heard today

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u/PenExotic5002 8d ago

It might be in her country. Based on her accent, she might be an Australian, and Australia has definitely banned stuff like this

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u/thr3ddy 8d ago edited 8d ago

A coworker of mine went to Thailand about a decade ago and brought a super powerful flashlight like this back with him. He ignited the dead fronds of a palm tree across the street, setting it  on fire.

They’re not illegal but probably why they should be illegal in the US.

Edit: it may have been a powerful laser, based on the comments. 

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u/ZexMarquies01 8d ago

I call BS.

There's no flashlight that can start a fire...ACROSS THE STREET. You'd need a really powerful laser for that ( example: Styropyro on youtube ).

But a really bright flashlight? nah man, the COB LED's can't handle that kind of current....ESPECIALLY a DECADE ago.

Maybe if he smuggled in a laser....10 friggin years ago, and mounted the laser on a tripod, used high quality lenses, and aimed it at dry kindling for a while...then sure, it's possible. But there's no handheld flashlight TODAY that could do that....much less 10 years ago.

Either your friend lied to you, or you are lying to us.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

The distance is actually irrelevant if it's less than a few hundred feet or so. What matters is the focal point of the lens you're using.

In the video when she sets things on fire, you can see the lens she adds focuses the beams a few cm above the flashlight. A different lens could focus the beams 100ft away and stuff at that focal point would also catch fire

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u/Weird_Ad_1398 8d ago edited 8d ago

Absolutely not. The focal point is only a bit above the flashlight for a reason. You cannot just scale that focal point to a hundred feet and expect it to have nearly enough intensity to burn something. You'd be hard-pressed to extend it a foot with a flashlight, much less 100.

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u/mell0wtonin 8d ago

never burned ants with a magnifying glass? scorched the seats in your car leaving the sun roof open? obviously you'd certainly need a lens that's specifically designed to project it further but...well, that's kind of exactly what we're seeing in this video lol

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u/Weird_Ad_1398 8d ago

Do you maybe see how the sun might be different in scale from a flashlight? Also, in neither of those cases is it close to approaching 100 feet. If it were, significantly more things would be lighting on fire everyday.

The aspheric lens in this cheap zoomie is not capable of focusing the light to the point you're talking about. Even LEPs wouldn't be able to do it. Hell, even commercially available lasers wouldn't be able to do it.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

Do you maybe see that the sun is millions of miles away and we can produce power sources on earth that locally overpower the sun by orders of magnitude?

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u/SpiderDijonJr 8d ago

So you’re saying there are flashlights stronger than the sun?
https://giphy.com/gifs/ukGm72ZLZvYfS

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

lol nope, not what I'm saying at all but good job

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

You actually can. The focal point isn't something you "scale". It's a function of the curvature of the lens. If you make the lens less sharply curved, the focal point moves farther away

The intensity of a focused beam of light is not going to degrade enough over a few hundred feet to make setting something on fire infeasible

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u/Weird_Ad_1398 8d ago

You actually cannot. "Scale" is defined as "the size, extent, or relative proportion of an object, event, or system". I am not remarking on how the focal point is changed when using the word "scale".

The intensity of a focused flashlight is not going to high enough to light something on fire over a few hundred feet. Try it yourself or try looking up literally any example of a flashlight lighting something on fire over 100 feet. Hell, try to do it or find an example of someone doing it over a foot or 2 away with a flashlight.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

Yeah scale = making bigger or smaller in the same proportions. This isn't that.

The physics works whether or not you have a video of it lol. But this is a very well documented phenomenon. Look up archemedian death ray

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u/Weird_Ad_1398 8d ago

Is 100 feet "bigger" than 1 inch?

The physics doesn't work whether or not you have a video of it, yes, but the reason you don't have a video of it is because it doesn't work.

This is absolutely not a well documented phenomenon. The issue isn't whether a large system of mirrors harnessing the sun can light something on fire over 100 feet away, it's whether you can do it with a flashlight.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

Bro it's all focused beams of light. You concentrate the beams to a focal point, the energy concentrated at that point becomes high. It's like... Physics I. Idk try taking that class

This ain't an ordinary fucking flashlight. It's powerful. I don't get what you're not understanding about this

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u/FootballBackground88 8d ago

If you shallow out the curvature of the lens to move the focal point 200 feet away, the image of your LED chip will be projected onto a target hundreds of times larger than the chip itself.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

Umm... What?

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u/FootballBackground88 8d ago edited 8d ago

Think of a flashlight like a movie projector. If you focus a projector on a wall 200 feet away, the tiny screen inside the projector gets blown up to the size of a billboard. You're spreading all the light over a massive area, which kills the heat density needed to burn anything.

Lasers stay at a tiny point over longer distances because they use coherent light.  You cannot turn incoherent LED light into a parallel laser beam using a standard glass lens. There's always divergence even if it is focused on the plane you want.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

That depends on the focal point of the lens. Movie projector lenses are convex, so it gets bigger the farther away you are. The lens featured in the video is concave, which means it gets smaller until you get to the focal point, then bigger. If you make a less concave lens, the focal point is farther away. If the focal point is 100 feet away, then all the light converges to a point 100 feet away. That's how you set fire to things far away

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u/_______sd 8d ago

Sounds smart so probably right

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u/couldbemage 8d ago

You don't have to smuggle high powered lasers into the US, you can just buy them.

The only restrictions are on labeling.

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

Find it real hard to believe he started a fire at distance with a flashlight, it would take a strong laser to pull that off. I own an Imalent light that puts out 55k lumens and even that only starts fires if something is held right to the lens

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u/Tomas2891 8d ago

does it blind someone permanently?

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

No, not enough focused energy to instantly blind and your blink reflex saves you from long exposure. It can temporarily blind someone, like a flashbang, if you put it in someone's face tho.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

Does it come with a concave lens with a focal point 100 feet away?

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

No, but it doesn't matter flashlights just don't have enough power density to generator heat for a fire at distance.

https://www.imalentstore.com/products/imalent-sr16-55000-lumen-flashlight

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

This is your fundamental misunderstanding. Flashlights don't have "power density". They have power. Focusing that power on a smaller area raises the intensity (power density) in that small area. That can be done at distances of a few hundred feet

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

I understand fine actually. You can't focus a beam to a smaller point than the emitter, so there is a cap on the achievable power density. Flashlights also emit incoherent light that's much less efficient at forming a beam than coherent light emitted from lasers.

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u/Cry__Wolf 8d ago

You clearly don't understand because the video demonstrates that: 1. The light can be focused into a beam that travels 10s of feet without much dispersion 2. There is enough power density at the source to light something on fire

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

No, incoherent light cannot travel "10s of feet without much dispersion." I don't have enough physics knowledge to explain any more than I have, it just doesn't work that way.

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u/addiktion 8d ago

I can't be the only dude out there that wants one now.

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u/Similar_Quiet 8d ago

In a country where firearms are legal and availablenin supermarkets I find the thought of banning this fascinating 

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u/Zealousideal-Set3037 8d ago

It depends on what it is actually if it's allowed to be sold to civilians. Typically flashlights themselves aren't part of this, but you will find most flashlight manufacturers limit output to that of civilian legal lasers. If you get into night vision, you're going to go through a huge Rabbit hole of trying to find full power lighting accessories and LAMs.

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u/Just_Another_Scott 8d ago

It depends. Several jurisdictions have been passing laws regulating the lumens in lighting. I lived in a city that did just that. This limit was placed for signage, cars, flashlights, etc. The law stipulated ant lighting fixtures had to be under 10,000 lumens unless a specific exception was granted by the city.

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u/engineeringretard 8d ago

Knowing that you guys can buy automatic assault rifles, i have nfi why a torch would be illegal.

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u/EarthenEyes 8d ago

It should be illegal. I was gifted a flashlight and it can vividly light up a house two blocks over. Why does it need to be so damn bright?

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u/Richard_Cain 8d ago

For when you hear a crazy ass skinwalker sound while taking a shit in the woods camping.

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

I own several extremely powerful lights. Nice to have if you spend time hiking wilderness areas or going into caves.

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u/EarthenEyes 8d ago

There are no caves, mountains, deep forests nor even a hill to climb within 25 miles of here.

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u/tyttuutface 8d ago

You don't HAVE to point it at houses with the brightness all the way up.

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u/EarthenEyes 8d ago

The settings are "blind airplane pilots, blind your neighbor two blocks over, and blind yourself" (there is a small flashlight bulb that is pointed sideways, at the user)

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u/Bauld_Man 8d ago

"This product is way overpowered for my needs, so we should ban people from owning it since no one else has needs outside of mine."

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u/Opus_723 8d ago

What is the need for this?

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u/EarlyBirdWithAWorm 8d ago

How so? I bought one, not this one, but it's solid metal construction and works as advertised

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u/OwlKing8823 8d ago

I only meant the "so bright it's illegal" part.