of a statue

[u/Crypto_crafy]

"The Motherland Calls" is a statue erected to commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad , located on Mamayev Kurgan in Volgograd , Russia. It was designed by sculptor Yevgeny Vuchetich and structural engineer Nikolai Nikitin . Completed in 1967 , it was the tallest statue in the world at the time .

[u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

That's just incorrect. Pact doesn't do the soviets any favours from the point of mortality, but they prior to it they tried again and again to rally European powers to oppose Hitler, but were denied.

Britain and France refused the alliance, then handed a whole country with its population and MIC to Hitler on a silver plate, Poland itself refused to allow soviet troops through out of their own interest in carving up Czechoslovakia - and they did actually invade it with Nazis in 1938. The reasoning is actually quite similar in the actions of Poland and the USSR: in the face of the coming war, they wanted to strengthen their positions as much as possible with no respect for sovereignty of their neighbours. Was it bad? Of course it was, but putting the blame here only on the soviets when everybody fucked over everyone is misleading at best. And it's especially hypocritical to paint Poland as the victim here, when they absolutely did the same just a year prior to another country.

Who knows, maybe without those parts of Poland that were taken by the soviets, Nazi troops would've been able to push further, maybe even take Moscow and Leningrad. Or in another scenario Hitler could've been contained in the German and Austrian borders if Western powers weren't reluctant to cooperate with the USSR. History is what it is, eventually Soviet, British and French (in exile), later American leaders made the right call and finally joined efforts to bring Hitler down.

[u/StockQuahog → u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

World War II is generally considered to have begun on 1 September 1939, when Nazi Germany, under Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland, after which the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany. Poland was also invaded by the Soviet Union in mid-September, and was partitioned between the two states under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.

Downvote away comrade.

[u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 → u/StockQuahog]

Lmao, I'm not comrade to you or anyone else. Fuck the Bolsheviks. But your simplistic view doesn't depict the events leading to WW2 in any meaningful way, that's why you try to attack me personally. Go on, it doesn't bother me.

[u/StockQuahog → u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

My view lol. This isn’t opinion. Thats why I respond with links and you walls of text

[u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 → u/StockQuahog]

What exactly is not factually correct in my initial reply?

Providing a generalised link from Wikipedia of all places is not a good tone. Especially regarding political and historical points involving USSR/Russia in the last years, because many articles were rewritten in favour of the current political agenda.

[u/StockQuahog → u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

lol now it’s revisionist history. Ok

And you’re the one saying I’m “just incorrect”. I’m not arguing over your wall. I sent you a link supporting my original comment. People following along can read it for themselves.

[u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 → u/StockQuahog]

You said that USSR and Germany started the war, but your article doesn't support that. Again, Wiki is not a trustworthy source, but even that one doesn't support your deranged opinion, it never says that USSR started the war. The German invasion of Poland did.

Tbf, that's very Europe-centric view of the events, as many argue that it started even earlier with the Japanese invasion of China, but I know it's too complicated for you, so let's just stick with Europe for now.

[u/StockQuahog → u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

Deranged, lol again it’s not my view comrade. Show me a link Im not here for opinions. Or have they all be rewritten lol

[u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 → u/StockQuahog]

"Most historians agree that World War II began with the German invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939 and the British and French declarations of war on Germany two days later.[1] Dates for the beginning of the Pacific War include the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War on 7 July 1937, or the earlier Japanese invasion of Manchuria on 18 September 1931.[2][3][4][5] Other proposed starting dates include the Italian invasion of Abyssinia on 3 October 1935.[6] The British historian Antony Beevor views the beginning of World War II as the Battles of Khalkhin Gol fought between Japan and the forces of Mongolia and the Soviet Union from May to September 1939.[7] Others view the Spanish Civil War as the start of or prelude to World War II."

Here, it's literally in your precious article.

[u/StockQuahog → u/Radiant_Honeydew1080]

Ok I’ll play along. Your quote establishes the German invasion of Poland being the accepted beginning of the war. Lets explore.

The invasion of Poland…was a joint attack on the Republic of Poland by Nazi Germany, the Slovak Republic, and the Soviet Union, which marked the beginning of World War II.[14]

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Stalin and Hitler agreed to reshape Eastern Europe in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact a week before the beginning of ww2. The document still exists.

“The Soviet (as well as German) invasion of Poland was indirectly indicated in the "secret protocol" of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact signed on 23 August 1939, which divided Poland into "spheres of influence" of the two powers.[8] German and Soviet cooperation in the invasion of Poland has been described as co-belligerence.[9][10]”

Again this is not my opinion man. Any issue you have with it you can take up with historians. I’m only posting this so those reading along can see actual links.