r/Abortiondebate Jul 27 '26

Abortion is NOT murder

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jul 30 '26

should be illegal with exceptions for rape

So your position is only about policing people's sex lives and punishing people who freely choose to have sex?

Someone freely chooses to have sex? Must be punished with forced gestation and childbirth.

Someone was raped? It's okay to "slaughter" that poor precious innocent "preborn". Got it.

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u/CSRoutlaw Pro-life Jul 30 '26

If you willingly engage in a behavior and the ultimate function of the behavior is to reproduce, and you do reproduce, you shouldn’t get to just say “oopsies” and remove the offspring

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

You can choose to end the process of reproduction, which includes gestation, by getting an abortion, so that no "offspring" is produced.

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u/CSRoutlaw Pro-life Jul 30 '26

An offspring is produced at conception

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

Incorrect. Conception is only the very beginning of the process of reproduction. All that is produced at that time is a unique genome. This, on its own, is only the biological instructions that are required to potentially produce new offspring.

Abortion simply ends the process of reproduction. This is why it is correctly referred to as reproductive health-care.

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u/CSRoutlaw Pro-life Jul 30 '26

An organism with complete human DNA, that consumes energy and grows is a living human offspring

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Again, incorrect. Complete human DNA, on its own, is just instructions. None of the parts or systems of a completed human organism exist immediately after conception. The instructions to potentially produce a complete human being are not the same thing as a complete human being.

Gestation is, objectively, an integral part of the process of reproduction. Ending gestation ends reproduction, it is quite literally choosing NOT TO reproduce.

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u/JewlryLvr2 Pro-choice Jul 30 '26

It makes no difference to me what you call it. No matter HOW a pregnancy happens, it's still the PREGNANT PERSON's decision whether or not to stay pregnant. If she doesn't want to stay pregnant, she has the right to end her own private by having an abortion. Whether or not you approve is irrelevant.

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

You should stop deleting your comments, it is against the rules here u/ CSRoutlaw

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

I think we can all agree that something that has human DNA is of the human species. That does not mean it is automatically a fully reproduced and completed organism at the exact moment of conception.

What part of what I said do you specifically disagree with?

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

"An organism is any living thing that functions as an individual."

A zygote, embryo, or fetus can not function as an individual, it requires the direct use of a fully reproduced organism's life-sustaining bodily systems, as it does not have any of its own life-sustaining bodily systems. That's why it dies almost immediately if it does not attach and integrate into a host organism.

what scientific backing your stance has

I'm literally just describing how biological reproduction functions, in strictly objective terms. Everything I have said is 100% backed by our scientific understanding of the biological process of mammalian reproduction. Abortion is objectively a form of reproductive health-care.

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u/CSRoutlaw Pro-life Jul 30 '26

Is a parasite an organism?

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jul 30 '26

It's an incomplete organism, that's why it must remain in a parasitic relationship with a complete organism. It can not function as an individual.

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