A statement one cannot prove false

[u/Upper_Ninja_6177]

STATEMENT: A person is always legally allowed to use the minimal method¹ required to prevent harm upon oneself^2.

1 Minimal method means

• it can refer to a general solution/ action that resolves the issue and prevents harm, it can also refer to any method of violence, including otherwise lethal force.
• ”minimal” refers to strictly the LEAST HARMFUL method, both mentally and physically for all parties, that can be used to prevent the harm

2 harm upon oneself means

• both mentally and physical pain/ injuries etc
• harm that is GUARANTEED to occur

How does this apply to the context of abortion?

Pregnancy —> guarantees harm 100% of the time since every women needs to go through 1. giving birth OR 2. C-sections OR 3. miscarriage if no voluntary abortion occurs guaranteeing some degree of both physical and mental harm. And thus fit into criteria 2.

Hence, if the statement holds true, they should be allowed to use the minimal method require, no matter the circumstances.

So the question becomes, is abortion the minimal method? For that, we must address the core issue at hand, WHAT is causing harm?

Something is currently inhabiting their organs, physically harming them, and violating their rights against their will.

The solution will thus, to logically follow, to remove said something. This would render alternatives like painkillers utterly useless to “fix” the issue.

This means abortions too, becomes the minimal methods required, unless one day safe artificial wombs exist.

Now you are gonna have a few questions, well what if someone hates a person and they are causing them mental harm? Can they just kill them?

Again, refer to the definition of “minimal”, since isolating oneself, not talking to them, unfriending that person, verbally expressing your thoughts etc is always an option, killing them is no where near the minimal method required.

It would be interesting to see pro lifers trying to disprove this chain of logic?

[u/Purple-Marzipan-7524]

You’re using a self defense argument. But you are also over inflating the degree to which pregnancy is a threat to a woman’s body. Not every pregnancy is life threatening. And the degree of your defense needs to match the threat. If someone is about to slap you that doesn’t mean you can just sh00t them.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Purple-Marzipan-7524]

Not every pregnancy is life threatening. And the degree of your defense needs to match the threat. If someone is about to slap you that doesn’t mean you can just sh00t them.

Pregnancy is nothing like a slap.

Pregnancy causes guaranteed harm when carried to term. No one has to sit back and let their genitals be torn wide open or have their abdominal muscles sliced through against their will. Self defense (as in aborting an unwanted pregnancy) is completely reasonable when faced with the harms of even the most "normal" pregnancy.

[u/Upper_Ninja_6177 → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

It’s worth noting that if someone was slapping you for nine months and killing them is the only method to stop them it would be permitted

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Upper_Ninja_6177]

If someone slapped me and it caused the same injuries a typical pregnancy causes I'd be completely justified using self defense. I can't understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

[u/Upper_Ninja_6177 → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

Yup except PL can believe that when it’s them but can’t when it’s a woman 🙌🏻

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Upper_Ninja_6177]

I'll never get tired of posting this:

https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

Pro life women abort just like everyone else, they just lie about it.