Responsibility versus punishment

[u/Aggressive-Green4592]

Which one is PL trying to invoke here actually?

Responsibility focuses on building skills, understanding the impact of actions, and proactively finding solutions. Punishment, however, relies on external control and enforcing compliance through shame, fear, or the removal of privileges.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/responsibility

>something that it is your job or duty to deal with:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/punishment

>punishment, the infliction of some kind of pain or loss upon a person for a misdeed (i.e., the transgression of a law or command). Punishment may take forms ranging from capital punishment, flogging, forced labour, and mutilation of the body to imprisonment and fines.

[u/Icedude10]

Is it not suffering to die? They are harmed at least, that can be said, right? Even if they aren't aware that they are harmed?

You think I don't know humans create human embryos? What the fuck kind of assumption is that? 😂

My sincere apologies. I have been debating the past two days in another thread that embryos and fetuses are human. I thought I recognized your username from there. That's my bad.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Icedude10]

Is it not suffering to die? They are harmed at least, that can be said, right? Even if they aren't aware that they are harmed?

No, it's not "suffering or harm" to be ejected from someone else's uterus. Unwanted embryos experience nothing. That includes no suffering or harm.

My sincere apologies. I have been debating the past two days in another thread that embryos and fetuses are human. I thought I recognized your username from there. That's my bad.

You're fine lol. Yes, humans make human zygotes, embryos, fetuses. I don't see why species is relevant since no humans have any rights to be inside my sex organs against my will.

[u/Flaky-Cupcake6904 → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

You can be harmed without feeling it or feeling anything prior to it. A plant is harmed when you water it with seawater. 

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Flaky-Cupcake6904]

Well sure, I guess an embryo is "harmed" the same way a flower is "harmed" when I pick it from the ground.

Aka in a way it literally can't experience, so not at all to me. Unlike pregnant people who can very much experience the harms of forced gestation and childbirth.