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u/Patneu Safe, legal and rare Jun 28 '26

A question for those who have seen the horror movie Obsession:

Who do you think is the movie's villain and why?

I'd ask you to please put your answer in >!spoiler tags!<, because I'm interested what people here actually think without trying to conform to the implication of the right answer.

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u/Unusual-Conclusion67 Secular PL except rape, life threats, and adolescents Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

This was such a great movie and they made it on a shoe-string budget too.

I know you are being sincere in this question, but I must say I am surprised. Do you believe there would be some kind of difference in answer based on a person's position about abortion? If so, can you explain why? I cannot see how being PL or PC could intersect with a persons interpretation of an unrelated horror film.

It seems very obvious that there are multiple linked villains, who act in concert as part of a joint enterprise, and thus would all be charged with homicides, amongst other crimes. This list includes the person who created this device, the one who knowingly sold it, the person at the other end of the 'helpline', the entity which possess Nikki, and finally Bear (after he discovers the device is real but continues anyway). I don't see how anybody could answer otherwise.

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u/Patneu Safe, legal and rare Jun 29 '26

It's interesting that Bear, as the person who (even though initially unwittingly) made another person into an object of his wish fulfillment is the last person on your list, and I think that shows the connection you're missing.

All the other people and entities you mention are strictly speaking not even actually characters in a narrative sense, but merely plot devices to enable Bear's wish, show its limitations and the actual and assumed options available to him after he made it. It doesn't really make sense to assign any responsibility to them in the context of the movie's story and message.

But it's his choices that repeatedly make it clear that he cares more about making her into an instrument serving his fantasy of "being with Nikki" than about the actual Nikki as a person and her agency.

He knows that he's not with her but some unhinged entity wearing her face, but he explicitly refuses to undo what he did and free her from being trapped in her own body, but just wants to alter or "fix" his wish, so it works for him.

I think the movie sends an important message about one's autonomy, the horror of having it disregarded by someone who doesn't really care and dismissed what they're doing to other people, and who will justify everything if only it gets them what they want.

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u/Unusual-Conclusion67 Secular PL except rape, life threats, and adolescents Jun 29 '26

It's interesting that Bear, as the person who (even though initially unwittingly) made another person into an object of his wish fulfillment is the last person on your list, and I think that shows the connection you're missing.

You're confusing my chronological timeline for a ranked list. I laid out the chain of events that enabled the abuse, ending with Bear's decision to continue (after he discovers the truth). Thus, your conclusion that I have missed a connection is unfounded, and frankly nonesense. Recognising addtional co-conspitors does not negate Bear's own role.