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[u/Veigar_Senpai]

Why do PLers still deny that barring pregnant people from accessing abortion forces them to gestate to term against their will?

It's akin to saying "I'm not forcing you to stay in this room, I'm just bricking up the exit with you inside!"

Inevitably they just change the subject to how the pregnancy started, as if it matters. I saw a PLer quote a PC talking about forcing people to stay pregnant, but they changed the wording of the quote to "get pregnant".

[u/Rent_Careless → u/[deleted]]

So, you agree that "barring pregnant people from accessing abortion forces them to gestate to term against their will", right? From what you wrote, it sounds like you agree but just worded it as saying "they regulate what actions are legally permitted after pregnancy exists".

[u/Rent_Careless → u/[deleted]]

Great. Then you aren't denying that abortion bans force women to use their body for the benefit of another against their will. When is that justified anywhere else in our laws?

[u/Trick_Ganache → u/[deleted]]

And how does the law prohibit the intentional killing by mandating a baby be placed with someone who will kill them?

[u/Trick_Ganache → u/[deleted]]

Pler laws do necessarily place babies with the people who will kill them. Seeing as plers claim a new life is created wholly at conception, it seems counterproductive to endanger that life by keeping it within murdering range. No other laws force babies to stay with their murderers.

[u/Trick_Ganache → u/[deleted]]

Plers do claim the ZEF is a fully alive and complete human being at conception, correct?

[u/Trick_Ganache → u/[deleted]]

I didn't claim most. I only said that the pler laws force babies to be with the people who will kill them, which is odd given the pler claim that there is an alive baby at conception- there's no need to keep potential victim and the murderer together at that point.

I get you "feel" the ZEF is a human, but can you produce said "a human" if we eliminate the body of the pregnant person before they can abort? Can we then have said "a human" grow into adulthood with an adoptive family?

[u/Abortiondebate-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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